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10:53 < yann__> hola
10:54 < factoryjoe> yo
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11:06 < KevinMarks> wmv-- mschenk
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11:07 < KevinMarks> real-- too
11:07 < KevinMarks> have to screengrab those formats to edit them
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11:13 < JChirac> l
11:13 < photomatt_paris> these video people are crazy
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11:16 < peterkaminski> we're back from break
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11:18 < jibot> jalonso is Julio Alonso and founder of Weblogs SL, www.weblogssl.com
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11:20 < jibot> _neezee is Nicole Simon from usefulsounds.com and crueltobeking.org and as nice as jeannie.
11:20 < _neezee> rehi
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11:20 < jibot> loic is Loic Le Meur from Paris, blogs at http://www.loiclemeur.com and is sorry for not logging in #joiito often enough
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11:21 < loic> heya?
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11:21 < dotBen> welcome back
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11:22 < jibot> mcabiling is Mark Cabiling & is a parisian geek & blogs at http://mcblog.free.fr & explores wireless at http://mcabiling.persozone.net/mobilemesh/ & http://www.corante.com/mobilemesh/
11:22 < dotBen> but is it quality or quantity?
11:22 < Suw> hey guys!
11:22 < loic> hey suw
11:22 < mcabiling> hiya suw
11:22 < factoryjoe> i wish the video had name tags
11:22 < dotBen> hey suw
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11:22 < _neezee> i would like to open up the skypde package because i am to lazy to find my headphones - but it does not open because they forgot to make an additional whole thing in there to open it up ..
11:22 < factoryjoe> hey suw
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11:22 < factoryjoe> ;)
11:22 < KevinMarks> hello suw
11:22 < Suw> good morning all!!
11:22 < dotBen> this is the IBM guy currently speaking
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11:22 < Suw> :D
11:22 < perfectpath> hey suw
11:23 < Suw> hey lloyd
11:23 < factoryjoe> can we lead a thought cheer?
11:23 < Suw> hey, aren't you a chain of leisure centres? Oh, wait, that's David Lloyd...
11:23 < dotBen> "blogs for leadership" hmmm
11:23 < factoryjoe> are there cheer thought leaders?
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11:23 < perfectpath> suw: yeah, anyone for tennis
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11:24 < michel_v> yo
11:24 < znarf> yo
11:24 < factoryjoe> sweet
11:24 < _neezee> could somebody please put back upt the chat, so i don't feel bad that i will switch and rachel feels bad ?
11:24 < factoryjoe> we're back up
11:24 < _neezee> oh, thanks :)
11:24 < perfectpath> hey that was quick
11:24 < dotBen> why can't we have video on one, and chat on the other!
11:24 < RMacK> breaking news: somebody created a fake blog pretending to be the chinese prime minister: http://rconversation.blogs.com/rconversation/2005/12/what_happened_t.html
11:24 < perfectpath> keep trying guys
11:25 < dotBen> wooo Estonia!
11:25 < perfectpath> yay estonia
11:25 < znarf> i just booked the venue for the MicroBarCamp tuesday night, it's ok
11:25 < mcabiling> Talinn is cool
11:25 < dotBen> you mean cold?
11:25 < factoryjoe> znarf: nice where?
11:25 < michel_v> znarf: URL?
11:25 < mcabiling> cold too ;)
11:25 < factoryjoe> gotta get it on upcoming then
11:25 < _neezee> znarf put it up the wiki, please.
11:25 < mschenk> http://maartenschenk.be/video/lesblogs/
11:25 < znarf> i'm putting this up on the wiki
11:25 < _neezee> fine
11:25 < _neezee> so we know where to go and geek out
11:26 < tara_> how does this work with the eTribe thing?
11:26 < Suw> geeking out should be a permanent state
11:26 < tara_> it's like zen
11:26 < dotBen> it generally is
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11:26 < _neezee> oh please, if oyu already have recordings from the conference, mail me at neezee@gmail.com so i can link them on bloxpert
11:26 < znarf> don't know, don't matter :)
11:26 < antoin> hi martin!
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11:26 < tara_> free....free
11:26 < tara_> it's part of the geek lifestyle
11:26 < perfectpath> suw: you know anyone who just geeks out occasionally (like weekend geeks or something) <shudder>
11:27 <@rvr> Suw: Hey!
11:27 < Suw> hey rvr!!
11:27 < Suw> are you here?
11:27 < antoin> hi suw!
11:27 < dotBen> did anyone get those free skype mic/earphones
11:27 <@rvr> Suw: Of course
11:27 < Suw> where are you? I  have no idea what you look like.
11:27 < dotBen> apparently they only work for French language
11:27 < Suw> hey antoin!
11:27 < perfectpath> huh? french only, that's a joke right?
11:28 < perfectpath> i'm a blit slow this morning
11:28 < dotBen> nope.  Dont work for welsh either, mate
11:28 < mschenk> _neezee: http://maartenschenk.be/video/lesblogs/
11:28 < perfectpath> bugger
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11:28 < Suw> dydy o ddim yn gweithio?
11:28 < Suw> siom
11:28 < factoryjoe> there's an answer for the localization problem
11:28 < factoryjoe> open source
11:28 < tara_> totally
11:28 < dotBen> yeah, open source the welsh language
11:28 < factoryjoe> gizmoproject.com
11:29 < mschenk> Most open source translations suck, in my experience
11:29  * dotBen pulls himself from the outer edge of "off topicness"
11:29 < JChirac>                          =)) as the Prez i can translate for you EN to FR
11:29 < _neezee> gizmo misses out on important things i want from such an application
11:29 < factoryjoe> _neezee: yeah
11:29 < michel_v> JChirac: as long as you don't outsource the translation to Raffarin
11:29 < mschenk> And open source translations for 'minor' languages are often out of date with the app
11:29 < factoryjoe> hmm ok
11:29 < factoryjoe> well then we ought make it easier to do better translations
11:29 < tara_> what about the Mechanical Turk?
11:29 < Suw> i agree
11:29 < _neezee> mschenk most are unusable :)
11:29 < michel_v> I mean, win the yes need the no to win against the no, but still
11:29 < factoryjoe> photomatt_paris has some ideas about this
11:29 < dotBen> yeah what language does he speak
11:30 < JChirac> ok i will make few efforts
11:30 <@rvr> mschenk: I know proffessional translators doing open souce translation for fun
11:30 < Suw> there's a guy i know doing something along these lines
11:30 < factoryjoe> Suw: qui?
11:30 < Suw> trying to provide a way for people to help with translation more easily
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11:30 < Suw> patfm
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11:30 < dotBen> hooray for UK media!
11:30 < factoryjoe> Suw: url?
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11:30 < KevinMarks> http://blogamundo.net/dev
11:30 < tara_> When did blog become a dirty word?
11:30 < Suw> aye, that's the one
11:30 < _neezee> i do translations from time to time for fun and help, but i have only that limited amoinnt of time
11:31 < mcabiling> ?forgetme
11:31 < Suw> neezee: yeah, that's a common problem
11:31 < jibot> I have expunged mcabiling from my mind
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11:31 < tara_> Glamourous? Hmmmm
11:31 < dotBen> glamourous!
11:31 < perfectpath> ?whois perfectpath
11:31 < jibot> Nobody has defined perfectpath yet
11:31 < perfectpath> thought not
11:31 < michel_v> tara_: when the plebians started blogging, perhaps
11:31 < tara_> lol
11:32 < dotBen> hardly started?
11:32 < tara_> Oh...you said PLEbians... ;)
11:32 < dotBen> hmmm, debateable
11:32 < michel_v> tara_: you read lesbians? :p
11:32 < ant0ine> LesBlogs2.0 on tagzania http://www.tagzania.com/tag/lesblogs
11:32 < ant0ine> just before you Victor :)
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11:32 < michel_v> (can't think of any other word)
11:32 < dotBen> its is LES blogs, noi?
11:32 < tara_> well, duh
11:32 < factoryjoe> i think this line of conversation shut down Yahoo chat
11:33 < tara_> oui! Vive le open source life!
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11:33 <@rvr> ant0ine: : )))
11:33 < factoryjoe> zut alors
11:33 < dotBen> people like Lo'Real blogs 'cos they're worth it
11:33 < factoryjoe> is audio streaming?
11:33 < factoryjoe> err
11:33 < factoryjoe> i mean, are we streaming the audio out?
11:33 < factoryjoe> and where is KevinMarks?
11:34 < mcabiling> aaah she's got a gun
11:34 < KevinMarks> i'm in san jose
11:34 < perfectpath> kill those commies A.
11:34 < dotBen> her argument was shot down
11:34 < tara_> that's hot
11:34 < KevinMarks> who's talking?
11:34 < mschenk> Adriana rules!
11:34 < dotBen> yay
11:34 < factoryjoe> KevinMarks: are you listening via audio?
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11:34 < KevinMarks> is there audio?
11:35 < _neezee> don't tease him. i don't think there is.
11:35 < factoryjoe> that's what i want to know
11:35 < factoryjoe> damn
11:35 < factoryjoe> there ought be if not video
11:35 < dotBen> But Chinese blogging is heavily censored - does that really make it a legitmate part of the blogoshphere?
11:35 < JChirac> should i legalize weapons for women only?
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11:35 < tara_> technorati mini!
11:35 < Carlytoss> with 30 milions it does count in the blogosphere
11:36 < KevinMarks> well, if someone wants to ichat me in...
11:36 < photomatt_paris> a huge amount of traffic to wordpress.com comes from china, I suppose because we're not blocket (yet)
11:36 < dotBen> welcome Jem
11:36 < photomatt_paris> double-digit percentage
11:36 < _neezee> kevin now! we want that wifi of ourselfs ;)
11:36 < factoryjoe> photomatt_paris: your days are now numbered
11:36 < tara_> I wonder who edits all of those blogs?
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11:36 < dotBen> Matt: traffic as in readers, or blog posters
11:36 < factoryjoe> tara_: mechanical turks
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11:37 < RMacK> re: wordpress in china.. yes a lot of chinese bloggers have installed wp, tho blogsome, the wp-based blog hosting service is indeed blocked in china
11:37 < tara_> that's alot of turkage
11:37 < jemstone> its still just selling makeup
11:37 < photomatt_paris> readers, but I would imagine that's proportionate
11:38 < dotBen> come on Jem, you wear it!
11:38 < jemstone> they do it v.well mind
11:38 < perfectpath> I don't touch the stuff - I'm strictly a g*room guy
11:38 < _neezee> dotben - says the man with the shiny hair ;)
11:38 < factoryjoe> photomatt_paris: you think it's a combination of readers/censors?
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11:38 < Lanfeust21> Brands are not parts of our lives ... brands want to be part of our lives
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11:38 < perfectpath> ben, do you want some hair wax?
11:38 < tara_> anyone here ever read the Lo'real blog?
11:38 < tara_> Skype blog?
11:39 < dotBen> I use Vidal Sasoon, thanks
11:39 < Lanfeust21> www.lejournaldemapeau.com
11:39 < KevinMarks> brands are so last century
11:39 < Carlytoss> nice picture Loic
11:39 < factoryjoe> KevinMarks needs audio
11:39 < photomatt_paris> interestingly, our documentation wiki (codex.wordpress.org) is blocked
11:39 < tara_> I'm an herbal essences girl...totally organic experience et al
11:39 < photomatt_paris> but I think that's because it's hosted by Yahoo and they blocked a bunch of Y! ips at once
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11:39 < loic> thanks :-)
11:39 < antoin> I wonder, when the revolution comes and mainstream brands all embrace blogging and conversations, will it be because they willingly embrace it, or because they are forced into it?
11:39 < factoryjoe> herbal essences is so *not* organic
11:39 < dotBen> but matt, do you have issues with blogs being written on WP.com that are politically censored?
11:39 < tara_> they say it is...
11:40 < tara_> ;)
11:40 < Crosswick> has anyone ever heard about Edward Bernays?
11:40 < factoryjoe> ant0ine: i just want all the world's brands to embrace
11:40 < factoryjoe> *that* would be hot
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11:40 < Lanfeust21> http://www.journaldemapeau.fr/blog/index.php
11:40 < Suw> hey pat!
11:40 < patfm> ello
11:40 < KevinMarks> hanging out in Los Gatos farmers market with our friedn who sells lavander herbal essence stuff today
11:40 < tara_> hugs not brands
11:40 < Suw> we were talking about translation and open sourcing it
11:40 < Carlytoss> What about Rodrigo's surprise?
11:40 < factoryjoe> we were weren't we
11:40 < factoryjoe> then again
11:40 < KevinMarks> and she buys 5 Molar sodium hydroxide to make soap
11:41 < factoryjoe> france will probably outlaw it
11:41 < patfm> ah, neat
11:41 < factoryjoe> and language in general
11:41 < photomatt_paris> dotBen: in principle, yes
11:41 < factoryjoe> since you can communicate about pirating mp3s with language
11:41 < factoryjoe> and y'know
11:41 < _neezee> crosswick there is a cool documentation about him well kind of
11:41 < dotBen> "I blogged before blogs existed"
11:41 < factoryjoe> we;re trying to stop such nonsense
11:41 < patfm> what aspects of translation
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11:41 < KevinMarks> no, France will mandate thet 40% of translations have to be local originated
11:41 < factoryjoe> ah patfm, the guy doing the translation/l10n stuff
11:41 < Suw> patfm runs blogamundo. :)
11:41 < patfm> hi factoryjoe
11:41 < mcabiling> how many "Fon" access points so far .?
11:42 < dotBen> yes, it's growing on our screen
11:42 < factoryjoe> patfm: translating gizmo project
11:42 < factoryjoe> etc
11:42 < perfectpath> uh oh, battery going, cu l8r
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11:42 < factoryjoe> wait, like plazes?
11:42 < Salim> antoin: all the brands will embrace it because they'll be forced to.... the smart ones will pick up on it earlier...
11:42 < RMacK> http://en.fon.com/
11:42 < dotBen> NETGEAR firmware is now GNU'd too (some of the older models, anyway)
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11:42 < jibot> marccanter is Marc Canter & a fine singer & blogs at http://blogs.it/0100198/ & Mimi's Daddy & the father of multimedia & in the house & curious
11:42 < mcabiling> what are the legal implications when you flash the firmware of the ISP access point ?
11:43 < dotBen> c'mon fon - get netgear on too
11:43 < factoryjoe> mcabiling: probably like flashing in public
11:43 < mcabiling> can i flash the Livebox of wanadoo ? without them sueing me ?
11:43 < _neezee> fon would need to get in contact with AVM because their Fritzbox is one of the biggest one sold in germany because of it many features (modem, router, firewall etc).
11:43 < factoryjoe> i'm sure it's been banned somewhere
11:43 < michel_v> factoryjoe++
11:43 < photomatt_paris> the new linksys APs don't support the old linux distros, they cut the memory
11:43 < photomatt_paris> you have to get the "L" version now
11:43  * patfm hacks fon.com url looking for translations
11:43 < factoryjoe> '"L" version"?
11:43 < patfm> interesting
11:44 < factoryjoe> patfm: what are you doing about l10n?
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11:44 < tara_> Why do we care so much that presidents blog?
11:44 < dotBen> trusting for who?
11:44 < factoryjoe> so fon == google wifi without the google?
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11:44 < patfm> factoryjoe: actually blogamundo isn't about software l10n, if that's what you're referring to. it's about content translation... prose, i guess, heh.
11:44 < dotBen> tara: cos he has nice hair?
11:44 < factoryjoe> patfm: ah
11:44 < tara_> ya, what is that?
11:45 < michel_v> tara_: we crave for more terror agenda-driven bullshit?
11:45 < factoryjoe> well, we need docs translation
11:45 < factoryjoe> so that works too
11:45 < marccanter> howdy
11:45 < tara_> heya
11:45 < cfd> somebody read docs?
11:45 < marccanter> I'm falling asleep
11:45 < smudie> patfm: are you talking about volunteer (ie free) translation?
11:45 < factoryjoe> zzzZZZzzzz
11:45 < dotBen> bonjour mersuie Canter
11:45 < cfd> idem Marc
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11:45 < marccanter> somebody please getup and start dancing
11:45 < tara_> comfy chairs
11:45 < photomatt_paris> http://www.linksys.com/servlet/Satellite?childpagename=US%2FLayout&packedargs=c%3DL_Product_C2%26cid%3D1133202177241&pagename=Linksys%2FCommon%2FVisitorWrapper
11:45 < dotBen> go on then marc
11:45 < tara_> You first!
11:45  * michel_v stealth discoes marc
11:45 < patfm> there seem to be lots of great software translation packages out there already
11:46 < factoryjoe> patfm: for example?
11:46 < tara_> shake that money maker
11:46 < _neezee> *rotfl* like waht?
11:46 < _neezee> I have still to see a working package
11:46 < patfm> smudie: our app will have free components and also a pay option
11:46 < jemstone> tBBC .mmmmm
11:46 < Carlytoss> maccanter, you first ;)
11:46 < patfm> factoryjoe:  the rather unfortunately named http://pootle.wordforge.org/ comes to mind :)
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11:46 < smudie> patfm: i'm a translator (amongst other things) - we'll have to talk :-)
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11:46 < jibot> fernand0 is in Zaragoza (Spain) and blogs at http://fernand0.blogalia.com/ and is Vic's friend and is Blogometro main developer
11:46 < pforret> Google Wifi is a free VPN service for Wifi clients - Fon is organising of all John Doe's access points
11:47 < mcabiling> a knife too !!
11:47 < dotBen> go on Adriana, get your gun out
11:47 < patfm> smudie: yeah definitely, would love to hear your opinion. check out blogamundo.net/dev
11:47 -!- JChirac [n=chatzill@81.80.55.12] has joined #lesblogs
11:47 < dotBen> I wouldn't dare post a spam comment on her blog...
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11:47 < cfd> what's with the bird cutting?
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11:47 < dotBen> CEO blogging is often "from the bottom out"
11:48 < tara_> something from the bottom
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11:48 < cfd> CEO blogging is often not the CEO...
11:48 < dotBen> quite
11:48 < michel_v> is often not blogging either
11:48 < _neezee> hei raymond :)
11:48 < cfd> ;)
11:48 < tara_> open bottoms
11:48 < factoryjoe> blogging the CEO's bottom?
11:48 < factoryjoe> "getting to the bottom of things"
11:49 < KevinMarks> that was tara's photo stream
11:49 < photomatt_paris> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/rosettarelease
11:49 < Suw> CEO blogging is usually hellish dull
11:49 < JChirac> Hello Nicole S.
11:49 < Crosswick> don't you just love the word 'bottom'
11:49 < dltq> hei _neezee :) | hi all
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11:49 < tara_> bottom bottom bottom bottom
11:49 < dotBen> close up
11:49 < dotBen> somebody hand that guy a zoon lense
11:49 < factoryjoe> "spank me", i hear
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11:49 < factoryjoe> zoon?
11:49 < tara_> ceo spanking blogs?
11:49 < dotBen> yeah, they're new
11:49 < factoryjoe> like zoom, but in ens
11:50 < dotBen> check the blogosphere
11:50 < patfm> oh, rosetta looks cool
11:50 < factoryjoe> instead of ems
11:50 < factoryjoe> rosetta is cool
11:50 < antoin> self-advertising: http://www.eire.com/2005/12/05/what-will-it-take-to-get-companies-really-blogging/#more-223
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11:50 < dotBen> how can you have authority in conversation?
11:50 < antoin> talk louder.
11:50 < Crosswick> authority without hierarchy
11:50 < tara_> REALLY USE BIG TYPE
11:50 < tara_> AAAAAAAAAAA
11:50 < antoin> authority isn't authoritarian
11:51 < znarf> http://barcamp.org/index.cgi?MicroBarCampParis
11:51 < smudie> patfm: i want to give you some offline feedback on blogamundo, but i can't find the contact details on the site!
11:51 < KevinMarks> don't make me paste the douglas adams quote again
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11:51 < patfm> smudie: eek!
11:51 < znarf> please complete, if you have any questions i'm here :)
11:51 < patfm> smudie: /me will fix that immediately. can i pm you?
11:51 < tara_> paste it, I dare you
11:51 < factoryjoe> znarf: thx
11:52 < tara_> video projectors....ooooooo
11:52 < Crosswick> Holland! Yeah
11:52 < smudie> patfm: my details are at smudie.com
11:52 < dltq> is there live video or audio or Something?
11:52 < tara_> talk in a human voice
11:52 < KevinMarks> "Because the Internet is so new we still don�t really understand what it is. We mistake it for a type of publishing or broadcasting, because that�s what we�re used to. So people complain that there�s a lot of rubbish online, or that it�s dominated by Americans, or that you can�t necessarily trust what you read on the web. Imagine trying to apply any of those criticisms to what you hear on the telephone. Of course you can�t �tru
11:52 < KevinMarks> st� what people tell you on the web anymore than you can �trust� what people tell you on megaphones, postcards or in restaurants. Working out the social politics of who you can trust and why is, quite literally, what a very large part of our brain has evolved to do."
11:53 < schenkm> #
11:53 < schenkm> #
11:53 < schenkm> dltq: http://maartenschenk.be/video/lesblogs/
11:53 < dltq> God bless his soul
11:53 < KevinMarks> "For some batty reason we turn off this natural scepticism when we see things in any medium which require a lot of work or resources to work in, or in which we can�t easily answer back � like newspapers, television or granite. Hence �carved in stone.� What should concern us is not that we can�t take what we read on the internet on trust � of course you can�t, it�s just people talking � but that we ever got into the dangerous ha
11:53 < KevinMarks> bit of believing what we read in the newspapers or saw on the TV � a mistake that no one who has met an actual journalist would ever make. One of the most important things you learn from the internet is that there is no �them� out there. It�s just an awful lot of �us�."
11:53 < schenkm> Not live, but semi-live :-)
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11:53 < factoryjoe> it's kind of like this IRC channel is another panelist
11:53 < factoryjoe> neat
11:53 < jemstone> kevin thanks,  url ?
11:53 < dltq> thank you schenkm :)
11:53 < antoin> well, spending money does give you authority you know.
11:53 < tara_> The supr.c.ilo.us panelist
11:53 < peterkaminski> schenkm's cam: http://www.flickr.com/photos/peterkaminski/70427757/
11:53 < KevinMarks> http://www.douglasadams.com/dna/19990901-00-a.html
11:54 < Crosswick> 'an awful lot of us' - I like it
11:54 <@rvr> KevinMarks: I see your face in Dave's screen ;)
11:54 < dotBen> sup.erf.olo.us?
11:54 < Suw> km: you being tellytubbied in by Dave?
11:54 < factoryjoe> supr.c.ilo.us?
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11:54 < tara_> rid.icu.lo.us
11:55 < KevinMarks> no
11:55 < Suw> supr.fluo.us
11:55 < KevinMarks> maybe he's reading my blog
11:55 < tara_> Did he just say that people want to do all sorts of things to eachother?
11:55 < mcabiling> fri.vo.lo.us
11:55 < factoryjoe> hey, i'll download you later
11:55 < dotBen> From blog on screen: I have a stiff neck and a headache "bloody french food"
11:55 < Crosswick> maybe the video guys could try to focus the beamers a bit more
11:55 < dotBen> lol
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11:56 < factoryjoe> Crosswick++
11:56 -!- NicoleSimon [n=garstig@195.68.195.29] has joined #lesblogs
11:56 < JChirac> Vive la France !
11:56 < pforret> any italians in the house?
11:57 < factoryjoe> viva le fun!
11:57 < factoryjoe> original or american-italian?
11:57 < NicoleSimon> hrmpf
11:57 <@rvr> pforret: Paolo
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11:57 < jibot> dsifry is Dave Sifry and his blog is at http://www.sifry.com/alerts and also in proximity to Technorati and is an IRCtease
11:57 <@rvr> Hi Dave
11:57 < dsifry> howdy
11:57 < NicoleSimon> got kicked out that is not nice
11:57 <@rvr> I'm behind you
11:57 < factoryjoe> dsifry: define IRCtease
11:57 < ludoo> I am Italian, though not at LesBlogs this year
11:57 < Suw> hey dave :)
11:57 < NicoleSimon> teasing is always good :)
11:57 < dsifry> factoryjoe: I have no idea, Isomeone added that in for me
11:57 < JChirac> Who kicked Nicole? huh
11:57 < factoryjoe> ah ha
11:57 < KevinMarks> what was that about CEO blogging?
11:58 < factoryjoe> it was berlisconi
11:58 < dsifry> JeannieCool I think
11:58 < dotBen> lol
11:58 < tara_> ROI?
11:58 < tara_> Hmmmmmm
11:58 < factoryjoe> roi = king
11:58 < schenkm> Costs?
11:58 < tara_> Yada yada yada
11:58 < schenkm> Blogs are dirt cheap...
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11:58 < Suw> la morte du ROI
11:58 < tara_> This should be good
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11:58 < factoryjoe> 30m euro is *ginormous*
11:58 < dsifry> these flickr slideshows are cool
11:58 < NicoleSimon> well in a company you also have to talk about costs for training and such. it is not about "oh just go some blogsoftware and start".
11:58 < tara_> Hmmmm...advertising on blogs. Cool.
11:59 < Suw> oh god no, not 'message' please
11:59 < Suw> it's not about messaging
11:59 < dltq> true, Nicole. hey btw :)
11:59 < factoryjoe> damn, what a good idea
11:59 < factoryjoe> i'll get right on that
11:59 < tara_> Measure it measure it!
11:59 < dotBen> poor Adriana, she can't poin in edgewise here
11:59 < KevinMarks> don't make her draw her gun
11:59 < factoryjoe> dotBen: someone get her a gun
11:59 < dotBen> yeah
11:59 < tara_> Yeah, 'cause she's actually smart enough to keep out of this ridiculous conversation
12:00 < dotBen> lol
12:00 < Suw> the business benefits of blogging are not necessarily stuff that is traditionally 'measured' anyway, so ROI starts to be a bit of a red herring imho
12:00 < factoryjoe> tara_++
12:00 < tara_> tapping
12:00 < factoryjoe> they need the handbot
12:00 < mcabiling> http://maps.fon.com/near/-3.68333/40.4/6
12:00 < schenkm> Suw: right
12:00 < NicoleSimon> well, we probably have to have different conversations on this. "company" can be very many things.
12:00 < dotBen> maybe she was going so say "this is redic.ulo.us"
12:00 < mcabiling> 20 AP's in Madrid :(
12:00 < dotBen> here we go
12:00 < dotBen> yay
12:00 < schenkm> Like trying to measure the ROI of networking...
12:00 < jemstone> "customers customers customers", what about citizens, what about changing the bloomin world ?
12:00 < dotBen> HOORAY
12:00 < Crosswick> second that
12:01 < NicoleSimon> schenkm you can, in a way. but you need newer kinds of measure ments.
12:01 < dotBen> grrr
12:01 < tara_> hugh plug
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12:01 < dsifry> yep, it is about citizens
12:01 < NicoleSimon> ben +lol*
12:01 < antoin> well, there's the risk of what happens if you don't communicate with customers.
12:01 < factoryjoe> communicate with customers?! are you CRAZY?
12:01 < schenkm> NicoleSimon: yes, but not neccessarily in $
12:01 < tara_> seriously, them customers are craaazy
12:01 < KevinMarks> I saw a comment today about corporations' firewalls emaning that the company has much less useful IT than home users
12:01 < NicoleSimon> if we take a normal company, like a big one, they don't even get internet at the moment - getting them speeded up to blogs is not as easy
12:01 < antoin> i mean, banks don't look for return on investment on their security staff.
12:01 < schenkm> tara_: i know, I'm one ;-)
12:01 < tara_> ohhhh, let's call them 'CONSUMERS'
12:01 < factoryjoe> KevinMarks: totally true
12:01 < tara_> consume consume consume
12:02 < NicoleSimon> schenkm well, my blogs do not pay and take time, as my podcst - the benefit is different.
12:02 < dotBen> metrics, baby
12:02 < factoryjoe> we are consumivores
12:02 < KevinMarks> consummaters
12:02 < tara_> you said it
12:02 < tara_> consumeration
12:02 < schenkm> NicoleSimon: indeed
12:02 < tara_> consumatronics
12:02 < factoryjoe> consumating.com?
12:02 < KevinMarks> consomme
12:02 < dotBen> sometimes its just a case of JFDI
12:02 < NicoleSimon> experimental -excactly. becaue most of the time you don't have an open conversation in the company in the first place, that will not work at all
12:03 < dotBen> just f***ing do it
12:03 < loic> anybody streaming video ? Please be nice with the network...
12:03 < dotBen> go underground
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12:03 < schenkm> I'm not streaming
12:03 < schenkm> http://maartenschenk.be/video/lesblogs/
12:03 < schenkm> Just uploading between sessions
12:03 < NicoleSimon> loic: they need to shut of skype as well.
12:03 < Suw> some companies 'just fucking do it' and just fucking do it wrong
12:03 < dotBen> ms bossy says no!
12:03 < loic> please if you could STOP uploading videos and Skyping.... thanks so much
12:03 < dsifry> Suw: lol
12:03 < JChirac> Obey or i call "La Police" > authority
12:03 < NicoleSimon> dotben tried that. if they are still back in the not getting it mode, they don't recognize the blog
12:03  * schenkm just killed skype
12:04 < tara_> who has time to upload video?
12:04 < cfd> skype racaille.
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12:04 < factoryjoe> schenkm:
12:04 < factoryjoe> does
12:04 < NicoleSimon> ben like "this is iteresting of you many times a week - they still need a link by mail ...
12:04 < dotBen> lol
12:04 < dotBen> people, huh?
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12:04 < loic> next time we'll have to double the network budget...
12:04 < schenkm> I haven't been uploading anything for an hour now...
12:04 < tara_> people schmeople
12:04 < KevinMarks> NicoleSimon is the local IT department?
12:04 < Suw> the thing is, much of the problem is cultural
12:05 < Suw> blogging (and wikis) are asking business people to behave in a way which is foreign to them
12:05 < rodrigo> probably a 10x - we'ell be streaming live video from all webcams
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12:05 < NicoleSimon> loic people often don't understand that just having skype on is consuming much bandwith, thy don't even skype
12:05 < dotBen> Nicole: local net PD!
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12:05 < antoin> well, what about having a proxy server? that would make things a little faster.
12:05 < tara_> why not support your evangelist blogges?
12:05 < factoryjoe> loic: i hear there was a pretty penny put in for the network
12:05 < NicoleSimon> KevinMarks no normal users
12:05 < factoryjoe> combien?
12:05 < Carlytoss> is loic signing his book today?
12:05 < J_Clavier> 17K EUR
12:05 < tara_> crazy
12:05 < loic> yeah factoryjoe...
12:05 < factoryjoe> ah ha
12:05 < schenkm> Ka ching!
12:05 < dsifry> Loic, you should add your blog here: http://www.technorati.com/blogs/lesblogs
12:05 < J_Clavier> If I recall the answer to the question
12:05 < KevinMarks> this is where laying on an official stream helps
12:05 < factoryjoe> J_Clavier: you think that's enough for winecamp?
12:05 < factoryjoe> crap
12:05 < factoryjoe> barcamp cost us $1500
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12:05 < factoryjoe> including wifi
12:06 < factoryjoe> and we had 300 people
12:06 < NicoleSimon> suw and to speak up in the company where this was not used before .. forget it. they are scared.
12:06 -!- You're now known as yannk
12:06 < factoryjoe> what gives?
12:06 < factoryjoe> effing bittorrentors
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12:06 < NicoleSimon> hei jeff
12:06 < J_Clavier> Yeah, but we had beer, not great wine :-)_
12:06 < rodrigo> $1500 for 300 people., 10x that here...
12:06 < factoryjoe> KevinMarks++
12:06 < J_Clavier> Hallo Nicole
12:06 < rodrigo> didn't French telcos get fined recently ?
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12:06 < factoryjoe> hmm
12:06 < Suw> depends on how you define 'business people' - i mean 'people in a business' not 'entrepreneurs' (necessarily). but asking people to share information can be really counter to their business culture
12:06 < factoryjoe> municipal wifi++
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12:07 < J_Clavier> 500M EUR or something of that order
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12:07 < dotBen> here we go...
12:07 < J_Clavier> Oh oh
12:07 < KevinMarks> When I set up a wiki inside Apple for the team, they took to it
12:07 < rodrigo> MARC GETS IT
12:07 < NicoleSimon> dsifry if would if i would have not forgotten my password for technorati ;)
12:07 < factoryjoe> J_Clavier++
12:07 < photomatt_paris> here comes mr canter
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12:07 < dotBen> ...buy something from Marc
12:07 < Suw> it's not just that people get scared about business blogs (internal and external), some don't get scared they just don't understand the point of blogging
12:07 < JChirac> i want a picture with this CANTER
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12:07 < tara_> hear hear
12:07 < KevinMarks> but soon it was a policy meeting to edit pages
12:07 < tara_> Go marc go!
12:07 < KevinMarks> and 'can you hide our future plans from the otehr divisions?'
12:08 < NicoleSimon> suw yes, in many it is. they don't have that kind of culture. if you just start that with wiki and so - they are like sone age people suddenly with lighter.
12:08 < dotBen> Marc ain't got much use for shampoo
12:08 < rodrigo> HEAT IT UP MARC !
12:08 < dotBen> clap
12:08 < J_Clavier> Marc rocks
12:08 < schenkm> Ouch
12:08 < Suw> i'm not saying they don't get scared, nicole.I'm saying many don't get as far as getting scared, because they just don't see the point of even looking into blogging and wikis
12:08 < dotBen> BUT...
12:08 < rodrigo> ouch
12:08 < factoryjoe> in the hot seat!
12:08 < J_Clavier> Busted!!!!
12:08 < tara_> yikes
12:08 < dotBen> ooohhh
12:09 < dltq> ?
12:09 < dotBen> FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT
12:09 < NicoleSimon> suw those are even worse :)
12:09 < dsifry> Fon is patent pending?
12:09 < tara_> one sided conversation
12:09 < dsifry> Funny, there is clear prior art
12:09 < JChirac> MARC is burning ... oh no again ...
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12:09 < factoryjoe> we need googlefight in here
12:09 < tara_> factoryjoe ++
12:09 < Suw> NicoleSimon: yeah, it's a hard battle if your job is to convince these people to use wikis/blogs!
12:09 < dsifry> Sounds like Fon is doing what Sputnik was doing back in 2002
12:09 < NicoleSimon> well, then hire a blogger to help you out with that
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12:09 < dotBen> dosn't that just fly in the face of what has just been advocated?
12:09 < dotBen> "I'm too busy running my company"
12:09 < tara_> defensiveness? Much?
12:09 < Salim> corporations are losing control of their marketing message... this is inherently very frightening and it's not surprising they're reticent
12:09 < factoryjoe> um
12:09 < loic> what's the blog of the person who asked the question ?
12:10 < factoryjoe> dsifry: can you speak to this?
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12:10 < dsifry> factoryjoe: how can I help?
12:10 < loic> who asked the question ?
12:10 < pforret> I understood "O'reilly"
12:10 < NicoleSimon> suw i decided to stop trying to convince them and go for people who are at least half willing to think about it.
12:10 < dotBen> someone from O'Reilly
12:10 -!- paoloval [n=paoloval@81.80.55.12] has joined #lesblogs
12:10 < cfd> is Fon like WifiDog: http://www.ilesansfil.org/tiki-index.php?page=Wifidog
12:10 < factoryjoe> dsifry: do tell us, is it hard to blog and run a company?
12:10 < factoryjoe> or, is it one or another?
12:10 < cfd> (but commercial?)
12:10 < Suw> well, this is a good plan - go for the enthusiasts first
12:10 < dsifry> Man I have to tell you it is VERY HARD
12:10 < NicoleSimon> loic that is nikolaj?
12:10 < dsifry> I feel for the guy
12:10 < tara_> it's my blog and I'll do whatever the f*ck I want
12:10 < factoryjoe> "it's my blog and i'll cry if i want to"
12:10 < schenkm> factoryjoe: I think Loic also has something to say about that ;-)
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12:10 < Suw> hell, it's hard to blog and be a blog consultant
12:10 < loic> can we have the full name of the person who asked ?
12:10 < dotBen> YEAH
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12:11 < tara_> Screw off, eh?
12:11 < NicoleSimon> dsifry what is heard
12:11 < JChirac> =))
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12:11 < KevinMarks> you go to work for a blog company, your blog output dips
12:11 < dotBen> HERE HERE
12:11 < dsifry> It is very hard to be a blogger and also company CEO
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12:11 < dsifry> it is all about TIME
12:11 < tara_> This is getting good!
12:11 < factoryjoe> dsifry: yeah, i think that's true
12:11 < factoryjoe> and fair
12:11 < factoryjoe> to say
12:11 < dotBen> sure we do (other than spam)
12:11 < photomatt_paris> KevinMarks: not true :)
12:11 < NicoleSimon> dsifry okay, but that is  a choice. and if you are a ceo, you know before that you have no time.
12:11 < factoryjoe> hmm
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12:11 < KevinMarks> you want me to plot yours matt?
12:12 < jalonso> I feel for Martin too!
12:12 < dotBen> ouch split
12:12 < KevinMarks> uh oh
12:12 -!- Ewan_ [n=ewan@82-41-16-229.cable.ubr03.edin.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #lesblogs
12:12 < jibot> Ewan_ is the guy sitting next to me & Scottish, & has a tame(ish) Crow. & definitely scottish & is now back & living in Edinburgh & lucky enough to be married to Vikki & blogs at http://www.ewanspence.com/ & still Scottish
12:12 < photomatt_paris> KevinMarks: actually that would be interesting
12:12 <@rvr> KevinMarks: :-/
12:12 < NicoleSimon> I would be satisfied a lot to get some information from a ceo - it would not need to be himself
12:12 < factoryjoe> KevinMarks, dsifry is talking about his experience ceoing and blogging
12:12 < NicoleSimon> ewan :o))
12:12 <@rvr> KevinMarks: Maybe too much people from the same IP
12:12 < Ewan_> Nicole!
12:12 < KevinMarks> yes
12:12 < KevinMarks> we need to find a freenode op
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12:13 < factoryjoe> yeah
12:13 < Carlytoss> technowho ??
12:13 < Suw> Dave is so right - when you're underemployed you can blog all you like. But when you have a heap of work on, then you end up having to sacrifice something, and often the blog is what goes
12:13 < dotBen> (META: freenode has just banned a lot of users on here, which explains the mass dump of users)
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12:13 < factoryjoe> yeah
12:13 < factoryjoe> um
12:13 < Suw> technorati
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12:13 < J_Clavier> Depends on Technorati performance :-)
12:13 < J_Clavier> Oooh, that was cheap
12:13 < NicoleSimon> suw but that is planable.
12:13 < photomatt_paris> KevinMarks: my blogging has become more dispersed though, there are more blogs
12:13 < NicoleSimon> suw it is managable.
12:13 < Suw> NicoleSimon: not always, no
12:14 <@rvr> Hmm.. I'm sshing to my server, that's why I'm already alive :-/
12:14 < antoin> well that's good.
12:14 < Suw> god knows my blogging has suffered lately because I've just been too busy
12:14 < dltq> i hardly really videoblog these days. ran out of talking head topics, and the snow in oslo aint that interesting
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12:14 < jibot> nikolajn is in Denmark, Copenhagen and currently attending Supernova
12:14 < perfectpath> i wish my life were so planable and manageable ;-)
12:14 < Suw> i barely have time to get done the things that are *urgent* let alone things that aren't.
12:14 < antoin> i hate hearing about how busy airports are on blogs.
12:14 < perfectpath> spend more time on the important
12:15 < perfectpath> like food, boys and coffee
12:15 < Suw> perfectpath: yeah. like taking the odd weekend off
12:15 < NicoleSimon> suw well it is. if you know you are a ceo it is dillusionable to thing you will have all the time. so you will just start of with already telling people that for example there will be other people. but if you have a ceo blog, you have made a commitment. I do see the point that people do not see the possible time impacts, but that is another point
12:15 < Suw> i think you're being overly harsh,  NicoleSimon.
12:15 < dotBen> magic middle is defined as < 1000 links hmmm
12:15 < Suw> CEOs are humans, just like the rest of us, and there is an ebb and flow to workloads and time and desire to blog
12:16 < perfectpath> suw: omigod, there are human ceo's?
12:16 < nikolajn> but deleting posts because you don't like the comments seems odd
12:16 < Suw> and i think it's very easy to say 'CEOs should behave in this manner' and say what you want them to do, but each to their own.
12:16 < patfm> in my experience the flow/ebb ratio is drastic
12:16 < Suw> nikolajn: i'm not really discussing deletion of posts, because that's generally a bad move
12:16 < Suw> patfm: yeah, for sure
12:16 < patfm> when i start blogging i tend to post... um... a lot in a row.
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12:17 < dotBen> adriana++
12:17 < NicoleSimon> suw i disagree . not on being human. but anyone getting ceos into blogging also has to tell thim, what this means and why there might be downsides. and it can be as well to start from the beginning in saying "this is a blog but you will only get something every month." which is okay with me, but if you start daily and then go over to stip it, that is bad (bad as in disappointing).
12:17 < NicoleSimon> suw exactly because they are human.
12:17 < dotBen> common sense, with a gun
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12:18 < pforret> there's the Skyper dude!
12:18 < Suw> it's easy to say how you think things should go, but my sympathies are with people who start blogging and then get overwhelmed. You can dictate all you like what people 'should' do, but life is never that simple.
12:18 < factoryjoe> NicoleSimon: that sounds more like managing expectations
12:19 < NicoleSimon> suw on this we agree totally.
12:19 < Suw> you have to manage expectations not by setting posting frequences (for example) in stone, but by being honest with your readeres
12:19 < Salim> Nicole: totally agree... there are legal issues, confidentiality issues, all sorts of stuff that make it very hard for CEOs to blog..  a LOT of  tiptoeing through broken glass
12:19 < Suw> if you are not able to blog so much for a while, say so
12:19 < NicoleSimon> factoryjoe well, if you are in that position then this is part of your business
12:19 < NicoleSimon> suw ack.
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12:19 < Suw> but I don't think that's grounds to criticise a CEO blogger
12:20 < NicoleSimon> suw but you should say so. explain why. not massivly, but in a way.
12:20 < Suw> i think it's grounds to encourage other people within the company to blog
12:20 < factoryjoe> where's rvr?
12:20 < dotBen> most A listers are geeks anyway
12:20 < Suw> frquently the CEO is not necessarily the right person to take on the company blog
12:20 < dotBen> and who reads geek blogs, eh?
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12:20 < Salim> Suw:  Agree!!   usually best to let others do it...
12:20 < NicoleSimon> it is better for a ceo to support this openly and make it clear to his employees that he / she wants that, and of much more effect in my eye than just a ceo bloggin.
12:20 < Suw> but I generally get called into companies *after* they have started their blogs, as they are figuring out why it's going wrong
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12:21 < dotBen> this guy is really chilled
12:21 < cfd> s
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12:21 < Suw> and that's going to be a persistent pattern in my opinion. because blogs are easy to set up, but hard to maintain.
12:21 < photomatt_paris> whoever started the blogs = SEO thing needs to be shot
12:21 < NicoleSimon> suw but does it always have to be that way? after the thing has gone down? ;)
12:21 < Carlytoss> any answer, anyone?
12:21 < KevinMarks> well, easier to maintain than staic sites
12:21 < KevinMarks> but they do need effort
12:21 < J_Clavier> Suw> Would they listen to you in the first place before they have made the mistakes on their own ?
12:22 < Suw> NicoleSimon: I wish it wasn't. I wish they would hire me before they fuck up.
12:22 < jalonso> positioning should only be a by product, if you are only aiming for that you are doomed
12:22 < Suw> but they don't. they seem to need to fuck up first, then call me in
12:22 < dotBen> blogs are worth having cos they are k00l.  "we now have a blog" is the 21st century equivlent of "we have a website" in the early 90s
12:22 < KevinMarks> says the #1 Matt on google
12:22 < Suw> J_Clavier: I suspect not. ;-)
12:22 < antoin> is it usually because of a 'rogue blogger' suw?
12:22 <@rvr> factoryjoe: I'm here
12:22 < Suw> dotBen: there is a lot of that going on, yes
12:22 < Suw> antoin: no, it's not
12:22 < antoin> or full scale management-by-accountants screw-ups?
12:22 < Suw> in fact, i have never been called in to deal with a rogue blogger
12:23 < J_Clavier> That's what I thought. Same applies to many consulting practices
12:23 < photomatt_paris> the "long tail" of splogs is small businesses conned into thinking they can get more visitors by starting a blog with a link to their site in every post
12:23 < factoryjoe> rvr: we're getting some weird bannings b/c of an mIRC version warning
12:23 < Ewan_> No you'd call Harrison Ford for a rouge blogger
12:23 < Suw> usually it's just that things aren'tn really working so well. not necessarily a full scale fuck-up
12:23 < perfectpath> am i the first CEO to show his arse on his blog?
12:23 < factoryjoe> a rouge blogger?
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12:23 < factoryjoe> perfectpath: probably intentionally
12:23 <@rvr> factoryjoe: Les Blogs public IP was K-Lined
12:23 < KevinMarks> is that tara?
12:23 < patfm> cosmetics industry :)
12:23 < Suw> perfectpath: that's not something not be proud of. ;-)
12:23 < jstuker> do the announcement on your blog....
12:24 < perfectpath> oh no it was accidental, it really was
12:24 < dotBen> <yawn>
12:24 < dotBen> skype buttons - wooo
12:24 < Salim> perfectpath: right on!  what an accident...
12:24 < dotBen> (not)
12:24 < antoin> rvr be sure to say hello, i am easy to spot in one of these orange tshirts.
12:24 < photomatt_paris> didn't ICQ do that like 10 years ago?
12:24 < dotBen> so does that mean I write a blog post and then people can call me at stupid times of the day to talk to me about it -- oh boy.  leave a message
12:25 <@rvr> antoin: Fon t-shirts? :)
12:25 < perfectpath> yay lunch!
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12:25 < factoryjoe> why is it always vertigo?
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12:25 < factoryjoe> ugh
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12:25 < WaveStorm> hello everybody
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12:25 < photomatt_paris> factoryjoe: eating lunch here?
12:25 < KevinMarks> this being france no doubt you ahve a 2 hour lunchbreak
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12:26 < factoryjoe> photomatt_paris: what
12:26 < factoryjoe> re you plans?
12:26 < factoryjoe> KevinMarks: hopefully
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12:27 < factoryjoe> nap time!
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12:27 < rwb> anttoin: howdy
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12:29 < factoryjoe> ok lunch time
12:29 < factoryjoe> bbiab
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12:51 < dltq> Hej Andreas
12:52 < AndreasHaugstrup> hej raymond
12:52 < AndreasHaugstrup> er du i paris?
12:52 < dltq> nee
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12:52 < dltq> they are having lunch now
12:52 < AndreasHaugstrup> ah
12:53 < AndreasHaugstrup> I've been following a couple of livebloggers this morning
12:54 < AndreasHaugstrup> makes me wonder if they have time to actually follow the conference :)
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12:55 < dltq> heh yeah. i don't see a lot of video around yet. this being an exception?: http://maartenschenk.be/video/lesblogs/
12:55 < AndreasHaugstrup> 220 megabytes, ouch
12:56 < dltq> oh, yeah, you got capped dl right?
12:56 < AndreasHaugstrup> edit, compress. Rinse and repeat :)
12:56 < AndreasHaugstrup> I upgraded so I have 10GB/month now. Still not enough
12:57 < AndreasHaugstrup> Hammersley found my highlight reel. Apparently he'll be doing the same talk in Paris: http://www.benhammersley.com/weblog/2005/12/01/you_know_get_around_a_lot_when.html
12:58 < dltq> hah didnt see this one yet
12:59 < AndreasHaugstrup> I'm glad I made it short. It's 60% of my bandwidth right now (I'm on a low-bandwidth host)
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13:30 < jibot> stevegarfield is Steve Garfield from Boston and blogs on "Off on a Tangent" at http://offonatangent.blogspot.com/
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13:30 < stevegarfield> Bonjour1
13:30 < dltq> hey steve!
13:30 < stevegarfield> Hi Andrewas, Raymond and Kevin
13:30 < stevegarfield> hey
13:30 < stevegarfield> raymond - are yout here?
13:30 < stevegarfield> there
13:30 < stevegarfield> in paris?
13:30 < dltq> no, unf not
13:31 < stevegarfield> it is snowing here in Boston
13:31 < stevegarfield> i have 3 shirts on
13:31 < dltq> heh, blizzard yet?
13:31 < stevegarfield> is this being broadcast to the whole room?
13:31 < stevegarfield> not yet
13:31 < stevegarfield> later tonight, more snow
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13:32 < stevegarfield> b=gabe mac put up some video at http://stevegarfield.blip.tv/file/5918
13:32 < dltq> they are in the middle of lunch now, sponsored by Fon
13:32 < stevegarfield> oops
13:32 < stevegarfield> not ther
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13:33 < stevegarfield> i guess that video link is correct
13:33 < stevegarfield> http://stevegarfield.blip.tv/file/5918
13:33 < AndreasHaugstrup> I want a free lunch
13:33 < stevegarfield> a panel from this am
13:33 < AndreasHaugstrup> hi steve :)
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13:33 < stevegarfield> hi andreas
13:33 < stevegarfield> we should have one of these goign at all times at vlog
13:33 < stevegarfield> or
13:33 < stevegarfield> videoblogging
13:33 < JaanusSkype> hey folks, is this irc channel archived somewhere online
13:33 < stevegarfield> i hope not
13:33 < stevegarfield> ;-)
13:34 < AndreasHaugstrup> there used to be a vlogging room (started during vloggercon), but it died after a week
13:34 < dltq> hey Jaanus, it is probably stored somewhere, we want to archive all those juicy backstabbing the guy on stage
13:34 < stevegarfield> since everyone is at lunch i am going to get breakfast
13:34 < stevegarfield> right
13:34 < stevegarfield> i started that one
13:35 < stevegarfield> that is actually a good name for it
13:35 < AndreasHaugstrup> you're getting breakfast and I only have 1? hours of daylight left :(
13:35 < stevegarfield> a virtual vloggercon online at all time
13:35 < AndreasHaugstrup> yeah, I agree
13:35 < stevegarfield> ok
13:35 < AndreasHaugstrup> I don't mind keeping a room open when I'm online
13:35 < stevegarfield> done
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13:36 < jibot> franck is in a white tshirt
13:37 < dltq> nice work, jibot
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13:39 < stevegarfield> hey raymond - franck doesn't like robots talking to him
13:39 < stevegarfield> either that or he was scared off since he was wearing a white tshirt
13:39 < franck> ^_^
13:39 < dltq> lol
13:40 < stevegarfield> franck!
13:40 < dltq> we are definitely archiving
13:40 < stevegarfield> oh great
13:40 < stevegarfield> michael verdi!
13:40 < dltq> :) so have we settled a date for vloggercon yet?
13:40 < stevegarfield> hello
13:41 < stevegarfield> jay is trying to secure a space in NYC for hte end of april
13:41 < stevegarfield> as of this weekend he had not yet
13:41 < franck> ok... managed to install an irc client over this connection
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13:41 < dltq> great, we are also thinking about when to have the next vlogeurope here. you coming then steve?
13:42 < dltq> it wont be in Amsterdam this time, so no need to fear
13:43 < AndreasHaugstrup> how many people are you aiming for at vloggercon?
13:43 < AndreasHaugstrup> I want the next one to be in Milan near Deirdre because I like northern Italy :)
13:44 < stevegarfield> jay is trying to get a room for 300
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13:45 < AndreasHaugstrup> sounds reasonable. Impressive, but realistic
13:47 < stevegarfield> who is Adriana http://www.mediainfluencer.net/media_influencer/
13:47 < AndreasHaugstrup> never heard of her
13:48 < AndreasHaugstrup> but, hey, she's shooting an AK-47
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14:02 < jibot> jalonso is Julio Alonso and founder of Weblogs SL, www.weblogssl.com
14:03 <@rvr> re
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14:06 < JaanusSkype> everyone is so full that there's no backchannel any more :|
14:06 < mcabiling> burp
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14:07 < mickaelung> test
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14:07 < AndreasHaugstrup> you're all full of corporate sponsored filling, huh? :)
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14:09 < dotBen> full of what?
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14:14 < dotBen> BAD INFORMATIONS - GRRR!
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14:14 < Charles> in english please
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14:15 < Antho> hiya
14:16 < Charles> ANINA is leaving
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14:16 < RMacK> is it this one? http://crofsblogs.typepad.com/h5n1/
14:16 < RMacK> or this one? http://influenzah5n1.myblogsite.com/blog
14:17 <@rvr> avianflu
14:17 < marc-o> ERROR:  influenzah5n1.myblogsite.com is temporarily unavailable or does not exist. Please check the address and try again.
14:19 <@rvr> http://avianflu.typepad.com/
14:19 < jemstone_> BBC
14:19 < jemstone_> BBC?
14:20 < Crosswick> "Jiminy may be small, but he's far from your average cricket. He can turn an umbrella into a parachute and looks great in a top hat and spats, and he carries a mean tune, as well as a nearly inexhaustible supply of home-brewed common sense. It's no wonder he is chosen by the Blue Fairy to be Pinocchio's "official" conscience"
14:21 < RMacK> www.globalvoicesonline.org
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14:21 < jemstone_> http://www.kenyanpundit.com/
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14:23 < ebow> where's loic?
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14:25 < stevegarfield> Hi Rebecca, snow expected tonight and it is freezing in Boston
14:25 < jemstone_> MacKinnon: Priorities of US network news:http://www.jamco.or.jp/2004_symposium2/en/03/index.html
14:26 < Jaanus2> whats wrong with lunch and dinner blogs.. no one likes them :(
14:26 < mcabiling> http://chocolateandzucchini.com/
14:26 < mcabiling> yummy
14:28 < Les> kevin anderson please go to the REGISTER DESK
14:28 < RMacK> hello steve!!
14:28 < RMacK> thanks jemstone
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14:32 < RMacK> wow the bandwith is getting tight
14:32 < ebow> is loic around?
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14:33 < problog> yes around
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14:33 <@rvr> Hmm
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14:34 < Jaanus2> metablogging! blogging about blogging on blogging. yes.
14:34 < dltq> sometaithurts
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14:35 < RMacK> jaanus2 if you like food blogs try: http://noodlepie.typepad.com/
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14:39 < problog> where is Chirac?
14:39 < CharlesN> http://www.agoravox.com/article.php3?id_article=4778
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14:48 < sztahanov>  network sux
14:48 < Suw> hey
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14:48 < Suw> network is driving me nuts. taken me an hour to get on.
14:48 < sztahanov> i lost my posts
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14:49 < jibot> _neezee is Nicole Simon from usefulsounds.com and crueltobeking.org and as nice as jeannie.
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14:49 < _neezee> hrmpf.
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14:49 < michel_v> ?def CharlesN
14:49 < jibot> Nobody has defined CharlesN yet
14:50 < CharlesN> Charles Nouyrit
14:50 <@rvr> Remember the fake soldier photo that was actually a toy
14:50 < Lanfeust21> Gilles Klein has an opinion about AgoraVox who's a different point of view to define agoravox
14:50 < Lanfeust21> http://gklein.blog.lemonde.fr/gklein/2005/08/journalistes_et.html
14:50 < Lanfeust21> it's in french
14:50 < michel_v> oh, ok. I was thinking of another Charles :)
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14:50 < michel_v> (a client of us)
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14:51 < Lanfeust21> En fait, c'est ce n'est pas du tout un bon exemple. C'est même pour l'instant, le contraire. Agoravox utilise souvent le contenu d'autres sites réalisés par des journalistes professionnels (plus les textes parus sur d'autres blogs..) sans rétribuer leurs auteurs, à ma connaissance, il s'agit, en effet de journalisme "gratuit"
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14:51 < factoryjoe> finally
14:51 < peterkaminski> for sure
14:51 < factoryjoe> sup wit da wifi?
14:51 < michel_v> yeah, but isn't gilles klein considered an ass, generally, by french bloggers?
14:51 < loiclemeur> anybody from vpod tv on the chat ? can you project my mac pls
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14:52 < peterkaminski> maybe probs with the AP software, maybe too many APs interfering with each other
14:52 < _neezee> was the wifi down or why was everybody out? :)
14:52 < peterkaminski> yeah, couldn't get on
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14:53 < loiclemeur> we managed to get the entire paris chamber of commerce network down
14:53 < jemstone> the principle of bivalence: i've learnt something today: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principle_of_bivalence
14:53 < loiclemeur> seems to be back
14:53 < michel_v> loic: congrats :P
14:53 < loiclemeur> hehe
14:53 < factoryjoe> nice
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14:53 < michel_v> (your first step in disrupting the capitalist pigs' gig! hah)
14:53 < michel_v> ;)
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14:54 < Les> we have some connectivity back up
14:54 < loiclemeur> jy va bosser stp
14:54 < jy_> qui me parle ?
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14:54 < loiclemeur> loic
14:54 < loiclemeur> jy tu peux leur dire
14:54 < Ed_Daniel> salut mes gars, j'espere tout va bien a Paris
14:55 < loiclemeur> de projeter mon mac à l'ecran stp
14:55 < jy_> connais pas
14:55 < loiclemeur> c'est quel JY ?
14:55 < jy_> mm Bloic?!
14:55 < loiclemeur> :-)
14:55 < loiclemeur> hehe
14:55 < jy_> le beau
14:55 < jy_> celui qui est tout en muscle l�
14:56 < _neezee> hei. english please.
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14:57 < _JY_> yes Bloic please speak English
14:57 < _JY_> "Photomatt has quit Paris" :-)
14:57 < _JY_> oops
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14:57 < znarf> michel_v> you're so rude with Gilles Klein :)
14:57 < Ed_Daniel> is there a political lobbying session at LesBlogs?
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14:58 < factoryjoe> i think later on
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14:58 < factoryjoe> blogging and politics
14:58 < loiclemeur> please be VERY NICE with the network
14:58 < Ed_Daniel> cheers joe - we need to get stuff like this covered: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/11/30/AR2005113002109.html
14:58 < loiclemeur> we're on the verge of breaking it again
14:58 < _JY_> on the what?
14:58 < peterkaminski> niceness++
14:59 < tara_> what is considered not nice?
14:59 < loiclemeur> don't download videos and big files please, don't use skype
14:59 < peterkaminski> heckling is okay, tara :-)
14:59 < loiclemeur> otherwise we'll break it again
14:59 < factoryjoe> phew
14:59 < michel_v> _neezee: oh geeze, if they want to joke around in french for less than a dozen lines...
14:59 < tara_> ah...good...
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14:59 < tara_> I thought my heckling broke it before
14:59 < peterkaminski> :-)
14:59 < tara_> I swear, I was banned for being snarky
14:59 < Ed_Daniel> is there an audio feed?
14:59 < antoin> tom, we'll have a whip-around at dinner.
14:59  * michel_v stops seeding his torrent of anina pictures
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15:00 < peterkaminski> heckling is a high-value-per-byte activity :-)
15:00 < tara_> Let's lobby the French government re: banning free software...
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15:00 < Ed_Daniel> I think the French government is very au fait with open source :-)
15:01 < tara_> We should be playing the drinking game...everytime you hear the word 'blog' or 'citizen journalist', DRINK!
15:01 < peterkaminski> ObLink from before, re: Popperian falsifiability: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falsifiability
15:01 < Ed_Daniel> France and open source stuff example: http://epnadmin.pierrefitte93.fr/
15:01 < _neezee> tara, let that to the irish guys - we will be drunk in 5 minuntes ;)
15:01 < tara_> lol
15:01 < J_Clavier> tara> If it is wine we drink, we'll put you all under the table
15:01 < Ed_Daniel> they're using that for an i-Ville project to better manage a town's capital expenditure and resources
15:02 < factoryjoe> let's bring in the canadian mounties
15:02 < jemstone> she means american journalism
15:02 < tara_> LOL...I'm Canadian, remember, I'll be standing...
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15:02 < tara_> ;)
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15:02 < tara_> What's with pretty boy?
15:02 < m-c> tara you'r canadian?
15:02 < tara_> yep
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15:02 < m-c> from where?
15:02 < antoin> should people have to pay to receive quality, dependable journalism written by non-tourists?
15:02 < _JY_> Canada :-)
15:02 < m-c> please say hi later if you can find me
15:02 < tara_> Toronto most recently, raised in small town Alberta
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15:03 < CharlesN> who got's anina picts ;)
15:03 < JCHIRAC> me
15:03 < tara_> again: what's with pretty boy?
15:03 < factoryjoe> i'm canadian by proximity
15:03 < factoryjoe> pretty boy?
15:03 < JCHIRAC> posted on Flickr
15:03 < tara_> whatshisface speaking
15:03 < CharlesN> who's prettyboy
15:03 < J_Clavier> pretty boy++
15:04 < CharlesN> JCHIRAC >> URL plse
15:04 < factoryjoe> pretty boys: http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41089000/jpg/_41089622_saddam_afp_203body.jpg
15:04 < tara_> the guy who hires celebrities to take our readership
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15:05 < Crosswick> iPods should be able to function as field recorders soon
15:05 < Crosswick> they already have an AD converter
15:05 < tara_> See...access...power....etc. - doesn't sound to blogosphere to me
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15:06 < cyf> blogs *are* about power
15:06 < Suw> grrrrrrrrr
15:06 < m-c> will there be as many podcasters as there are bloggers
15:06 < chryss> hi
15:06 < factoryjoe> Crosswick: iTrip?
15:06 < dltq> no
15:06 < Suw> this auditorium is too full
15:06 < Crosswick> power can be bidirectional
15:06 < wavestorm> hey :) just to keep you informed one of our two broadband lines failed (the Open-2 network) we reconfigured the Open-1 so that it should handle everything all by itself
15:06 < Ed_Daniel> why be bound by 'design' Crosswick - they're 300 mp3 player manufacturers in China - love affairs iwth brands huh!?
15:06 < _neezee> m-c i think there may be more one day ;)
15:06 < factoryjoe> wavestorm++
15:06 < CharlesN> www.ipodnanoblog.fr
15:06 < factoryjoe> 17k euro gets you service
15:06 < peterkaminski> thx, wavestorm :-)
15:07 < factoryjoe> next time let's do 34k
15:07 < wavestorm> ;)
15:07 < m-c> will all bloggers get into podcasting
15:07 < tara_> reowr
15:07 < Crosswick> the iTrip broadcasts thru FM, you can't use it to record
15:07 < Lanfeust21> an Olympus recorder (ws-200) is a cheap tool $120
15:07 < factoryjoe> we'll have to do 68k if we all get into podcasting
15:07 < _neezee> m-c no. different kinds of people
15:07 < antoin> only the ones who love the sound of their own voices.
15:07 < CharlesN> how do you want journalist to survive if they can't speak english...
15:07 < factoryjoe> Crosswick: maybe not iTrip
15:07 < factoryjoe> the other one
15:07 < factoryjoe> some griffin thinger
15:07 < Crosswick> hehe ok
15:07 < jemstone> speech radio is difficult
15:07 < _neezee> antoin that is a very simple view.
15:07 < m-c> antoin -- LOL
15:08 < factoryjoe> eff blogs
15:08 < tara_> Bummer that you can't 'browse' a podcast
15:08 < factoryjoe> long live IRC
15:08 < Crosswick> I think Adam Curry already talked to Steve Job about this
15:08 < tara_> totally
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15:08 < adecarvalho> CharlesN++
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15:08 < JCHIRAC> even tho you got tools it is not easy to podCast so far
15:08 < factoryjoe> i want adam curry's hair
15:08 < _neezee> tara you can, but it is still complicated to produce
15:08 < CharlesN> yes u can browse a podcast
15:08 < m-c> podcast will be 'browsable' one day
15:08 < tara_> naw...you still have to download the bugger
15:08 < Ed_Daniel> >tart  -  i guess we're all waiting for Google and other labs to crack the audio indexing conumdrum such as automating transcripts which can then be indexed
15:08 < tara_> it's not the same
15:09 < Ed_Daniel> won't be long before it comes, lots of israeli / defence technology already there
15:09 < factoryjoe> SMIL helps browse podcasts
15:09 < m-c> right now there's only chapters
15:09 < Crosswick> let's make a podcast toolchain wiki
15:09 < antoin> you could get stuff transcribed offshore, not that expensive.
15:09 < factoryjoe> of course SMIL -> microformat for quicktime will be nice
15:09 < pforret> podzinger and bliki do podcast indexing
15:09 < Lanfeust21> to see where we're going ... just a quick look on the past year
15:09 < adecarvalho> or you can do text-to-speech ...
15:09 < Lanfeust21> http://adaptivepath.com/images/publications/essays/What_puts_the_2_in_Web_20.pdf
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15:10 < tara_> oh...THAT article
15:10 < m-c> speech to text
15:10 < cfd> I'm more in Web 3.0...
15:10 < tara_> LOL
15:10 < tara_> Hmmmmm
15:10 < jemstone> tom coates (ex bbc) knocked this up before he left us:http://www.plasticbag.org/archives/2005/10/on_the_bbc_annotatable_audio_project.shtml
15:10 < michel_v> antoin: and then hire proofreaders onshore? :p
15:10 < factoryjoe> adam curry's hair: http://www.indierocket.com/adventures/childhood/17eighties.gif
15:10 < cfd> I'll be there when the web 3.0 meme become a reality, you've read it here first...
15:10 < CharlesN> http://www.batterytech.com/ to use old accessories on nano and video
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15:10 < tara_> I'm stuck in 1.0 baby
15:10 < factoryjoe> tom coates++
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15:11 < m-c> i want a web 3.0 t-shirt!
15:11 < Ed_Daniel> nice tip PForret, thanks!
15:11 < m-c> web 2.0 is sooo 2004
15:11 < factoryjoe> omg
15:11 < m-c> :P
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15:11 < factoryjoe> can we please stop talking in numerics
15:11 < cfd> Let's do the Web 3.0 sticker and the web 3.0 t-shirts.
15:11 < factoryjoe> i want Web IV
15:11 < factoryjoe> ugh
15:11 < tara_> eff the t-shirts
15:11 < JCHIRAC> who sponsor them?
15:11 < dltq> go watch videoblogs at mefeedia.com then :>
15:11 < m-c> Loic
15:11 < cfd> 4.0 is way too much in the future...
15:12 < _JY_> Web 3.11 Workgroup will rock
15:12 < cfd> :)
15:12 < cfd> LOL
15:12 < tara_> .0.0.0.00.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0. BLECH
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15:12 < factoryjoe> web 95
15:12 < michel_v> _JY_++
15:12 < m-c> LOL!!
15:12 <@rvr> _JY_: lol
15:12 < factoryjoe> hmm
15:12 < cfd> Web Vista
15:12 < tara_> eff .0
15:12 < _JY_> WEB ME will be soo soo
15:12 < cfd> in 2007
15:12 < rodrigo> http://www.loiclemeur.com/france/2005/11/face_alain_minc.html
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15:12 < _JY_> and Web Vista will be.. well.; will be :-)
15:12 < factoryjoe> "human effort"
15:12 < Crosswick> technology IS a human efor
15:12 < Crosswick> effort
15:13 < factoryjoe> i dunno about that
15:13 < _JY_> Scoble don't beat me
15:13 < Lanfeust21> Jeff Clavier : you've said you'll be provocative this afternoon : could you explain how a little bit?
15:13 < factoryjoe> he's going to get to the "bottom" of things
15:13 < tara_> C'mon Jeff, provocate this
15:13 < tara_> bottoms up!
15:13 < Lanfeust21> really?
15:13 < factoryjoe> stealth?
15:13 < J_Clavier> Bit late to ask the question
15:13 < tara_> Stealth
15:13 < J_Clavier> See the panel
15:13 < factoryjoe> stealth bomber?
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15:14 < tara_> long tail - DRINK
15:14 < factoryjoe> i dig short tails
15:14 < rodrigo> stealth company => very web 2.0 right ?
15:14 < factoryjoe> like rat tails
15:14 < tara_> um....nope
15:14 < cfd> 1.9 just under the 2.0
15:14 < peterkaminski> stealth == web 1.5
15:14 < J_Clavier> No long tail
15:14 < tara_> exactly
15:14 < J_Clavier> No stealth
15:14 < Lanfeust21> hugh!!!
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15:14 < cfd> 1.9999999 (long tail version)
15:14 < J_Clavier> No money
15:14 < factoryjoe> this is what i think of stealth companies: http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/b2/images/b2_15.jpg
15:14 < tara_> blogs are different
15:15 < tara_> opinions rock
15:15 < FrankM> A video of this morning is online on http://tinyurl.com/8gh2a (nevermind the dutch intro)
15:15 < J_Clavier> GoogleBomb!
15:15 < cfd> newsparper are different too.
15:15 < dltq> tx frankm
15:15 < tara_> garbage rocks
15:15 < Lanfeust21> a GoogleBomb on who or whatN
15:15 < tara_> bring on the garbage
15:15 < tara_> oh wait....
15:15 < FrankM> working on the next vid :-)
15:16 < factoryjoe> field trip!
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15:16 < tara_> whereabouts are you thinking Joe?
15:16 < CharlesN> go jeff go
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15:16 < cfd> could we visit a blog newsroom?
15:16 < cfd> (or are we in one?)
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15:16 < peterkaminski> NPOV: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NPOV
15:16 < _JY_> Long tail is very pretentious :-)
15:17 < factoryjoe> tara_: IHT
15:17 < cfd> short tail is better.
15:17 < factoryjoe> http://koinpro.tripod.com/BarsMedalsRounds/StealthBomberBar.jpg
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15:17 < Suw> npov isn't really all that perfect
15:17 < Suw> i think it's overrated
15:18 < mark_hu> hi:)
15:18 <@rvr> Suw: where are you?
15:18 < CharlesN> Vpod arreter la frime ;)
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15:20 < dltq> Nicole - I'm listening to your pre-conference podcasts. Great stuff! Good work
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15:20 < CharlesN> it's second nature to be rude for a french guy ;)
15:21 < CharlesN> Paris riot are place de la Bastille
15:21 < CharlesN> it's burning right now
15:21 < cfd> yep 2.0 is overused
15:21 < Lanfeust21> who's the good guy in the panel?
15:21 < Lanfeust21> the good, the bad and the ugly ... and the last one is ????
15:22 < CharlesN> HA Mac....
15:22 < JaanusSkype> heyhey.. theyre gonna burn the projector this way or something
15:22 < CharlesN> never works ;)
15:22 < factoryjoe> CharlesN: wait, fer real?
15:22 < pforret> where's Om Malik?
15:22 < factoryjoe> the bastille is burning
15:23 < factoryjoe> pforret: he cancelled
15:23 < CharlesN> yep for real, Bastille is on fire
15:23 < factoryjoe> um
15:23 < factoryjoe> isn't that a big deal?
15:23 < factoryjoe> or does that happen often?
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15:23 < dltq> omg
15:23 < CharlesN> nope another 1000 burned cars ;)
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15:23 < neezee_away> raymond thx - i will have some post conference as well ;)
15:23 < Lanfeust21> web 2.0 is a great joke
15:23 < CharlesN> anyway, we cannot drive in Paris
15:23 < JaanusSkype> bastille was set on fire by the crowds frustrated by all this 2.0 nonsense
15:24 < Lanfeust21> ppt is burning the projector
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15:24 < factoryjoe> ppt should be burned
15:24 < factoryjoe> hey dglazkov
15:24 < factoryjoe> welcome
15:24 < CharlesN> Question: How cars are burned per year in UK vs. Fr? 60000 for UK versus 30000 for France last year
15:24 < fmahon> taadaa
15:25 < dglazkov> hey! What's all the lesblogging about?
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15:25 < antoin> gymiani i love that.
15:25 < dglazkov> hi factoryjoe!
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15:26 < factoryjoe> you might just hang out, i'm sure i'll spin up some microformats stuff eventually
15:26 < factoryjoe> for now, jeff clavier is talking about making money
15:26 < factoryjoe> ;)
15:26 < NicoleSimon> how is this sudenly an owned name *gr*
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15:26 < JCHIRAC> hard to get i am sure
15:26 < nisi> good.
15:26 < dglazkov> great topic, factoryjoe
15:26 < chryss> hi nisi. thanks for passing on the hat.
15:27 < m-c> sleeepy.. http://www.flickr.com/photos/hammersley/70482900/
15:27 < CharlesN> MAc sucks ;)
15:28 < Lanfeust21> has Jeff invested in Technorati?
15:28 < factoryjoe> m-c: i think that's a tshirt for les blogs
15:28 < JCHIRAC> Technorati tech support on panel
15:28 < factoryjoe> powerpoint at 640x840--
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15:31 < cliebert> hello, looks very quiet here ...
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15:32 < cliebert> too much wine @lunch maybee ...
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15:32 < dglazkov> just waiting for the next clever joke
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15:33 < dltq> nice
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15:33 < cliebert> anyway ...
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15:33 < cliebert> is there any blogger alive @the conference ?
15:33 < ebow> ok is anina here?
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15:33 < tariq_netvibes> hi every body
15:33 < cliebert> anina ... so fashion
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15:34 < cliebert> hello tariq
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15:34 < znarf> hey tariq
15:34 < wavestorm> sligt failure from FT :-(
15:34 -!- marc-o [n=marc-o@81.80.55.12] has joined #lesblogs
15:34 < flevy> Hello from Brazil!!!
15:34 < mung> jo
15:34 < cliebert> FT .. isn't just a failure
15:34 < flevy> :-)
15:35 < wavestorm> whatever ;)
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15:35 < wavestorm> next year we might have wimax :p
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15:35 < factoryjoe> hmm am i back?
15:35 < wavestorm> yup :)
15:35 < tara_> whew
15:35  * peterkaminski back too
15:35 < dglazkov> it's stormy today in IRC
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15:36 < cliebert> Charles N , are you there ?
15:36 < Suw> did he just say 'mojo'?
15:36 < CharlesN> yep
15:37 < dglazkov> did somebody say microformats?
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15:37 < cliebert> did somebody says Bubble 3.0
15:37 < factoryjoe> dglazkov: patience
15:37 < factoryjoe> it's not our turn yet
15:37 < antoin> shhh
15:37 < factoryjoe> ;)
15:37 < factoryjoe> it's a two day conference
15:37 < dglazkov> :)
15:37 < factoryjoe> we're 2/3 day 1
15:37 < factoryjoe> ;)
15:37 < CharlesN> cliebert>> wanna talk to me ?
15:37 -!- rodrigo [n=chatzill@81.80.55.12] has joined #lesblogs
15:37 < factoryjoe> but when we're on the screen, y'know, i need back up
15:37 < factoryjoe> ;)
15:37 -!- Salim [n=a80e3b94@81.80.55.12] has joined #lesblogs
15:37  * Suw is looking forward to Day 3
15:37 < cliebert> no, just checking ;)
15:38 < Salim> is anyone else having major connection problems?  I just got on after 30 mins
15:38 < cliebert> hi rodrigo
15:38 < dglazkov> ok. just let me know :)
15:38 < CharlesN> Rodrigo,smile
15:38 < CharlesN> nice
15:38 < rodrigo> insztant smile on IRC
15:38 < cliebert> hu  hu hu
15:38  * dglazkov is checking his pom-poms
15:38 < m-c> yeah, connection is on and off
15:38 < peterkaminski> Salim, yes
15:38 < tara_> pom poms?
15:38 < cliebert> Smile with Rodrigo, and the world smile with you
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15:39 < _neezee> salim yes. but as you are working on your presentation anyhow ... ;)
15:39 < dotBen> salim: yeah connection sucks
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15:39 < tariq_netvibes> lol
15:39 < dglazkov> tara_; you know, for cheerleading
15:39 < flevy> :-)
15:39 < tara_> oh yes! I need some pom poms!
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15:40 < factoryjoe> yes
15:40 -!- flevy is now known as fernandabrazil
15:40 < factoryjoe> we need more mu-F cheerleaders!
15:40 < factoryjoe> hurrah hurrah!
15:40 < tara_> I just like to say 'pom pom'
15:40 < tara_> money money money money
15:41 < cliebert> pompom
15:41 < cliebert> pom
15:41 < tara_> k...so what does this have to do with our blogs?
15:41 < cliebert> pom pom
15:41 < tara_> me me me
15:41 < cliebert> enought ?
15:41 < CharlesN> Rodrigo drop the camera for a sec' ;)
15:41 < tara_> money for my blog?
15:41 < CharlesN> stop playing with your new toy
15:41 < tara_> are we back on the pom poms?
15:41 < _neezee> or just turn off the sounds
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15:41 < dotBen> attention businesses!
15:42 < rodrigo> it's not new: but it might be fun for you to see hwhat the audienc elooks like from up here
15:42 < tara_> up where?
15:42 < tara_> oh....
15:42 < rodrigo> on stage (speakers)
15:42 < tara_> there
15:42 -!- nikolajn [n=nikolajn@81.80.55.12] has joined #lesblogs
15:42 < jibot> nikolajn is in Denmark, Copenhagen and currently attending Supernova
15:42 < _neezee> dotBen there is nothing wrong with doing business :)
15:42 < tara_> there are speakers?
15:42 < CharlesN> turn it a little on the left then, so i'll be on screen
15:42 < dotBen> no there isisnt
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15:42 < _neezee> nikolajn i would say you are not at supernova any more ;)
15:42 < pforret> Your blog, www.horsepigcow.com, is worth $95,971.80
15:42  * dotBen yells MIC
15:43 < tara_> how do we monetize sticky eyeballs ?
15:43 < cliebert> big up for rodrigo then ....
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15:43 < Ed_Daniel> any live feeds at LesBlogs for us poor souls stuck at work ?
15:43 < tara_> show me the money
15:43 < pforret> http://www.business-opportunities.biz/projects/how-much-is-your-blog-worth/
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15:43 < tara_> Flickr!
15:43 < pforret> spend it first
15:43 < dotBen> hammers'
15:43 < rodrigo> ed > we'll stream teh panels as of next week
15:43 < mung> tag : lesblogs
15:43 < dltq> hey ben
15:43 < _neezee> hei ben. i saw you start growing at least some hair again.
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15:43 < dotBen> yes
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15:43 < tara_> Ed: www.http://www.flickr.com/photos/tags/lesblogs/
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15:44 < dotBen> The grey is alsmost gone
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15:44 < Ewan_> Mr H!
15:44 < Ed_Daniel> tx T
15:44 < dotBen> what the fuck with sixapart?
15:44 < tara_> it's about as streaming as it gets
15:44 < cliebert> sixapart ...
15:44  * BenHammersley is in the house
15:44 <@rvr> BenHammersley: I think your photo of Marc Canter will become (in)famous ;)
15:44 < factoryjoe> gah
15:44 < factoryjoe> $77,341.98.
15:44 < tara_> ben, GREAT shot of Marc
15:44 < BenHammersley> at least he wasn't drooling
15:44 < BenHammersley> :-)
15:44 < factoryjoe> rvr
15:44 <@rvr> ha
15:45 <@rvr> factoryjoe
15:45 < Ed_Daniel> yeah ben, nice shot!
15:45 < tara_> you could photoshop that in
15:45 < factoryjoe> i can gaurentee that's it's going to be famous
15:45 < mung> lol
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15:45 < mung> photoshop contest on Marc?
15:45 < dglazkov> ok, who's going to come up with a t-shirt tagline for it?
15:45 < cliebert> looks like nobody listening to the conference ;)
15:45 < Ed_Daniel> they gave me all this money and all i could come up with was this finger
15:45 < tara_> sure we're listening
15:45 < dotBen> yeah, they ain't giving anything away
15:45 < m-c> 'blog me i'm sleeping'
15:45 < mung> lol
15:46 < mung> lol
15:46 < dotBen> if they thought there was money to be made in something then they'd be doing it
15:46 < cliebert> multitasking blogger ???
15:46 < jy_> he's not sleeping he's thinking
15:46 < cfd> he's now sleeping with one hand in the air.
15:46 < dglazkov> REM 2.0
15:46 < AndreasHaugstrup> BenHammersley: I'm glad to see you took my hight video in lighthearted mood it was meant for :)
15:46 < BenHammersley> oh, mate, it my day
15:46 < BenHammersley> I laughed so hard I started to cry
15:46 < tara_> thank goodness for flickr
15:47 < m-c> he's famous
15:47 < dltq> heh, let's do some remixes Andreas
15:47 < factoryjoe> omg
15:47 < nikolajn> http://flickr.com/photos/ross/6344606/
15:47 < factoryjoe> i'm so in trouble
15:47 < dotBen> bubblet- sounds like denile to me
15:47 < dotBen> bubble or no bubble - no middle way
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15:48 < jibot> ethanz is usually in western MA, USA. blogs at http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/ethan and spends most of his time thinking about Africa or bacon.
15:48 < wavestorm> hey ;)
15:48 < wavestorm> te second line is up and running
15:48 < tara_> bacon ... mmmmm
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15:48 < cliebert> hu hu
15:48 < wavestorm> if you feel like it you can switch to blog-2 wifi network
15:48 < AndreasHaugstrup> Great! It's my claim to fame. Taking one-liners out of context... or something
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15:48 <@rvr> nikolajn: lol
15:48 < BenHammersley> it's a talent, I grant you
15:48 < dotBen> wavestorm - where do we claim for a refund, the connectivities been crap
15:48 < dotBen> not worth €17k
15:48 < cliebert> a claim
15:48 < cliebert> .
15:48 < AndreasHaugstrup> dltq: I started to look through your footage from bloggforum, but I didn't get around to it until after I had made the video (sadly)
15:48 < wavestorm> ;) ask for FT & the CCIP :)
15:49 < AndreasHaugstrup> I wanted to go back and do more later
15:49 < tara_> hype hype hype
15:49 < AndreasHaugstrup> from all sessions
15:49 < cfd> t-shirts are coming...
15:49 < wavestorm> (especialliy the ccip :p )
15:49 < tara_> DRINK!
15:49 < factoryjoe> wavestorm: cool
15:49 < antoin> i reckon there is a better way to design the setup for online conferences. proxy servers, local chat servers, etc.
15:49 < cliebert> for a 10 Keuros seems quite buggy ?
15:49 < m-c> cfd -- you are so into this conference hm?
15:49 < dotBen> same old idea
15:49 < wavestorm> well the FT line only failed a few secs
15:50 < dotBen> couldn't ge on for about 45mins
15:50 < wavestorm> the CCIP failed for what... ? 2 hours ?
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15:50 < _neezee> on and off again.
15:50 < CharlesN> and whet vpod business model ?
15:50 -!- rs_ [n=rs@office.dailymotion.com] has joined #lesblogs
15:50 < _neezee> i would say just too many laptops ;)(
15:50 < tara_> gah!
15:50 < znarf> hey rs_
15:50 < tara_> Too many laptops?
15:50 < rs_> hi there
15:50 < BenHammersley> video as a means to expression is TOO DIFFICULT
15:50 < _neezee> but a local server for irc before connection out is good.
15:50 < dltq> why?
15:50 < dotBen> yeah I think it's easier to write than video, actually
15:50 < wavestorm> looks like everybody is being served with WiFi though!
15:51 < _neezee> tara_ yes. shut down the one of pretty boy, he can look at yours ;)
15:51 < antoin> well, it takes some planning. writing is much easier.
15:51 < dotBen> also yes I use a video at birthdays and weddings, but I write every day
15:51 <@rvr> But video and audio are much more emotional
15:51 < m-c> arent blogs, vblog and podcasting just means of expression?!?
15:51 -!- tariq_netvibes [n=tariq@81.80.55.12] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)]
15:51 < BenHammersley> VCs who don't actually use technology make me cry
15:51 < znarf> who are u rs_ ? Ben or Oliv ?
15:51 < antoin> yes, if you want to start a revolution, you need video!
15:51 -!- Salim [n=a80e3b94@81.80.55.12] has joined #lesblogs
15:51 < rs_> olivier
15:51 < dltq> there are pieces of Ben's presentation in Stockholm that you cant appreciate fully without the visual
15:51 < rs_> the tech guy from dailymotion :)
15:51 < peterkaminski> dotBen, i think some people are good writers, some people are good talkers, some people are good videographers
15:51 < znarf> yeah i know !
15:51 -!- mark__hu [n=mark@catv-5063298b.catv.broadband.hu] has joined #lesblogs
15:52 < antoin> the what?
15:52 < Ed_Daniel> good call PK - it's when you put 'em together you get something special
15:52 < dotBen> peterkaminski: and no good video'erS:
15:52 < AndreasHaugstrup> video is by nature more documentary
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15:52 < cliebert> hello olivier
15:52 < _neezee> BenHammersley i spready the link of your audio to some more people and told them you will evolve greatly from that talk - so looking forward ;)
15:52 -!- neilmcintosh [n=neilmcin@81.80.55.12] has joined #lesblogs
15:52 < antoin> home-made porno.
15:52 < antoin> it's gonna be massive.
15:52 < AndreasHaugstrup> dltq: I don't think I can appreciate BenHammersley withouth the visual ;)
15:52 -!- roby [n=rortelli@129.194.112.114] has quit [Remote closed the connection]
15:52 < m-c> everyone is photoshoping the pict of the guy sleeping now, awesome
15:52 < peterkaminski> i wonder if we'll get the Blogger or Movable Type of video someday
15:52  * BenHammersley is entirely video based
15:52 < Suw> can anyone appreciate BenHammersley without the visual?
15:52 < BenHammersley> or the tactile
15:53 < _neezee> BenHammersley of course. you are just the show man.
15:53 < rodrigo> isn't sign language great ?
15:53 < dltq> peterkaminski yeah that's what we are all waiting for
15:53 < tara_> tactile....mmmmmm
15:53 < BenHammersley> \0/
15:53 < neilmcintosh> yr a married man, Hammersley...
15:53 < Salim> i think video is a long way off... it's just so much heavier than text... 100s of formats, etc etc.. .it's going to take a while (imho)
15:53 < Suw> don't get him started
15:53 < dotBen> but wheres the money going ot come from
15:53 < BenHammersley> I'm the flickr of tactile blogging
15:53 < dltq> true, Salim. still we are having fun with it
15:53 < Suw> but no kilt today
15:53 < AndreasHaugstrup> Salim: it's already going on. Formats schmormats
15:53 < Suw> which is, frankly, disappointing
15:53 < tara_> that rocks
15:53 < BenHammersley> not today - tomorrow
15:53 < rodrigo> where you see complexity, there is an opportunity to simplify (for salim)
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15:53 < Suw> where you see complexity, I see a man in a kilt
15:53 < _neezee> salim yes, but at the same time it is about a different kind of perception, as well as with audio doing this to text - having an audio to text is already quite different
15:54 < rs_> how the conference is doing?
15:54 < _neezee> suw thx, i  know something was different.
15:54 < Salim> ok - I take the points,... but i still maintain we're a ways off....
15:54 < Ed_Daniel> some of the obvious models that drive the money are money focused such as 'betting tips', 'financial analysis' - after that look at what you pay money for now...
15:54 < factoryjoe> http://www.flickr.com/photos/factoryjoe/70492753/
15:54 < tara_> conference? There's a conference?
15:54 < dotBen> I agree with Salim
15:54 < cfd> not sure, everybody is chatting...
15:54 < Salim> now, if someone can create a really simple video thing, then great!
15:54 < _neezee> BenHammersley so you are just showing off and not really living up to it? dissappointing
15:54 < znarf> rs_ > they're sleeping or photoshopping ...
15:54 < BenHammersley> tomorrow I shall also wax my tache
15:54 < _neezee> wear a wig, please.
15:55 < tara_> joe: LOL!!!!
15:55 < antoin> yeah, yahoo should stop hiring journalists.
15:55 <@rvr> factoryjoe: Fantastic!!!
15:55 <@rvr> :DDD
15:55 < neilmcintosh> joe: brilliance
15:55 < factoryjoe> :D
15:55 < Salim> yeah Dave, whack him... !
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15:55 < znarf> factoryjoe++
15:55 < dotBen> here we go
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15:55 < dotBen> ...
15:55 < factoryjoe> oh, he woke up!
15:56 < dotBen> lol
15:56 < neilmcintosh> does he know?
15:56 < factoryjoe> btw, if anyone is available for protection, i'm interested
15:56 < dltq> not yet
15:56 -!- mung [n=chatzill@81.80.55.12] has joined #lesblogs
15:56 < tara_> c'mon...put up that flickr photostream!
15:56 -!- olivert [n=oliver@81.80.55.12] has joined #lesblogs
15:56 < factoryjoe> likewise
15:56 -!- Suw [n=Suw@81.80.55.12] has joined #lesblogs
15:56 < tara_> throw us a bone!
15:56 < factoryjoe> Y!Zzzzz
15:56 < dotBen> new open yahoo - lol
15:56 < cfd> stale powerpoint out!
15:56 < factoryjoe> Flickrzzzz
15:57 -!- seefeld [n=seefeld@84-73-155-10.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lesblogs
15:57 < tara_> flickr flickr flickr!
15:57 < rodrigo> tell LOic to come down and plug in his mac fro teh flickr show
15:57 -!- RMacK [n=chatzill@81.80.55.12] has joined #lesblogs
15:57 < jibot> RMacK is sometimes a slightly devil's advocate and quite good at it
15:57 < tara_> Loic?
15:57 < cfd> Flickr! now!
15:57 < rodrigo> he's behind near the door
15:57 < RMacK> where is the flickr pic
15:57 < cfd> loic is sleeping?
15:57 < factoryjoe> c'mon baby, light my fire
15:57 < ebow> is anina online?
15:57 < mung> got to shoot that
15:57 < factoryjoe> is he?
15:57 < Ed_Daniel> ROFLMAO
15:57 < tara_> fire up your camera!
15:57 < rodrigo> nope, he's the one managing the flcikr pix
15:57 < factoryjoe> get a photo!
15:57 < ethanz> Loic deserves a rest. Okay if he's sleeping now
15:57 < BenHammersley> Corporate blogging is faux openness designed to shut the bloggers up
15:58 -!- jemstone [n=jemstone@81.80.55.12] has joined #lesblogs
15:58 < Salim> can't imagine AOL beating yahoo... anyone care to comment on that?
15:58 < dotBen> whoa hammersley
15:58 < RMacK> http://www.flickr.com/photos/94657696@N00/70493386/
15:58 < tara_> fauxpenness
15:58 < BenHammersley> tara_: nice
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15:58 < dotBen> talking about overstatement
15:58 < antoin> well, maybe in a googlefight.
15:58 < factoryjoe> marc's looking kind of red
15:58 < BenHammersley> The Fat Man Sings!
15:58 < RMacK> time warner is such an incompetently managed company, as long as they own aol i wouldnt bet on aol
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15:58 < factoryjoe> comrade++
15:58 < Salim> RMacK: agree... AOL comes across as quite disorganized...
15:59 < tara_> !
15:59 < tara_> Turk!
15:59 < factoryjoe> ...where people==robots
15:59  * BenHammersley has a mechanical turk
15:59 < neilmcintosh> paid? oh, please.
15:59 < dotBen> consumers who are bored can get paid 3c to sport a door in a photo. wooo
15:59 < Suw> can i get a mechanical scot? with a kilt?
15:59 < neilmcintosh> let's launch some e-money next
15:59 < BenHammersley> well, it's more a young turk
15:59  * factoryjoe has a mechanical watch
15:59 < rodrigo> guys - your voice is heard up here, loic is ready for his flickr show
15:59 < dotBen> welcome to slave labour
15:59 < dotBen> who wants to do it for 3c?
15:59 < tara_> I have a mechanical scot
15:59 < BenHammersley> he brings me sweetmeats and dancing girls
15:59 < factoryjoe> or a mechanical mountie
15:59 < tara_> ;)
16:00 < michel_v> hmm
16:00 < tara_> mechanical bull
16:00 < cliebert> let's hack it ;)
16:00 < Suw> battery powered
16:00 < BenHammersley> Abdul! The girls! *clap*clap*
16:00 < michel_v> "Too Many Laptops" sounds like a nice band name
16:00 -!- loiclemeur [n=loicleme@81.80.55.12] has joined #lesblogs
16:00 < cfd> flicker!
16:00 < cfd> on screen.
16:00 < dotBen> Too Many Laptops sounds like the name of this conference...
16:00 < factoryjoe> how was your nap loiclemeur?
16:00 < tara_> Eyeballs! DRINK
16:00 < tara_> flickr! Flickr!
16:00 < mung> btw great to have lot of plugs
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16:01 < factoryjoe> horde of rapid attack squirrels! *clap* *clap*
16:01 < CharlesN> Just check with loic to put the flickr on wide screen
16:01  * BenHammersley unleashes the squirrels
16:01 < dotBen> HOOOORAY
16:01 < neilmcintosh> not the squirrels! they're evil.
16:01 < cfd> yeah!
16:01 < dotBen> LOL
16:01 -!- jstuker [n=jstuker@195.68.195.29] has joined #lesblogs
16:01 < neilmcintosh> wahey
16:01 -!- jy_ [n=JY@81.80.55.12] has joined #lesblogs
16:01 < Suw> ha ha ha
16:01 < tara_> tag
16:01 < BenHammersley> I'm soooo fucked
16:01 < cfd> clap clap clap!
16:01 < factoryjoe> ditto
16:01 < tara_> look up the tag cloud
16:02 < factoryjoe> what's the tag?
16:02 < tara_> lesblogs tag
16:02 < factoryjoe> cantersleeping?
16:02 < neilmcintosh> no logo tho
16:02 < tara_> ya ya
16:02 < ethanz> good to know I'm so predictable that marc can safely sleep through our panel...
16:02 < Salim> oh Ben, that was great......
16:02 < BenHammersley> he's behind me. I'm going to die
16:02 < dltq> someone GOT to film this!
16:02 < tara_> lol...
16:02  * BenHammersley has been sung at before
16:02 < tara_> Sorry man, you're on your own
16:03 < neilmcintosh> ben - use your pace.
16:03 < pforret> it was nice to know you, ben
16:03 < neilmcintosh> if you start running now...
16:03 < factoryjoe> ben, use your mace
16:03 < rodrigo> it's being filmed
16:03 < dltq> the mac is broken anyway
16:03 < cliebert> headline tomorow ... bloody vengeance among bloggers @ les blogs. 2.0
16:03 < neilmcintosh> joe: lol
16:03 < neilmcintosh> bloggy hell
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16:04 < Suw> ok, dear, that photo seems to have slowed Flickr to a crawl
16:04 < Suw> what have you done...
16:04 < michel_v> riots erupting at les blogs over wifi frustrations. three hundred laptops burned by angry bloggers!
16:04 < dltq> im having a laughing fit here in Oslo
16:04 < factoryjoe> "b-list bloggers rise to prominence as a-listers finish each other off"
16:05 -!- antoin [n=antoin@81.80.55.12] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)]
16:05 < cliebert> tomorrowlol
16:05 -!- ant0ine [n=Antoine@195.68.195.29] has joined #lesblogs
16:05 < cliebert> hu hu hu
16:05 < rodrigo> www.spreadshirt.Com
16:05 < Suw> we should lock the A-listers in the room d ownstairs with the very last canape and see who comes out alive at the end
16:05 < cliebert> Riots - nowhere but in paris ...
16:05 < Ewan_> Note for conference organsiers - just have some ethernet patch cables beside the plugs...
16:05 < _neezee> i am not burning my laptop.
16:05 < cliebert> smeel the burn ?
16:05 < Ewan_> Suw: probably ben, he'd lift his skirt
16:06 < Suw> he's sadly betrousered at hte moment
16:06 < Suw> he's let the side down
16:06 < Suw> it's a sad, sad day for utilikilt fans
16:06 < BenHammersley> ffs - I'm *sorry* all right?
16:06 <@rvr> Suw: Yeah, the Next Big Thing(TM) will be "reality blogs"
16:06 < BenHammersley> I'll wear a skirt tomorrow
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16:06 < Suw> alright
16:06 < Suw> *pouts*
16:06  * BenHammersley cries
16:06 < factoryjoe> hmm
16:06 < Ewan_> Ben when you get iconic clothing, you have no choice
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16:06 <@rvr> Blog Survavivals
16:06 < factoryjoe> can we can my header up on les blogs?
16:06 < dotBen> nooooooooooooooooo
16:07 < dotBen> no skirt hammersley
16:07 < Ewan_> It's like a Baker-esque scark or a Linus blanket
16:07 < BenHammersley> this is true
16:07 < Suw> see, it's not just me.
16:07 < BenHammersley> I'm speaking tomorrow, so skirt and suicidegirls t-shirt, as is traditional
16:07 -!- ant0ine [n=Antoine@195.68.195.29] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"]
16:07 < factoryjoe> ooooo i'm so dead
16:07 < Ewan_> better
16:07 < Suw> why are you banned from the tag stream?
16:07 < factoryjoe> i post non-photos
16:08  * BenHammersley is taking factoryjoe with him
16:08 < factoryjoe> yay!
16:08 < Suw> oh dear. is that bad for some reason?
16:08 < factoryjoe> well
16:08 < Suw> BenHammersley: out to the back of the bike sheds?
16:08 < factoryjoe> my photos don't show up in groups or tag streams
16:08 < factoryjoe> yeah, sux0r
16:08 < ethanz> I think it's a good thing that Loic has a sufficient sense of humor that he's putting these images up in the background...
16:08 < Suw> wow, that's really crap
16:08 < Suw> that's censorship
16:08 < factoryjoe> loiclemeur++
16:08 < fmahon> factoryjoe: nice photoshop job !!!!
16:08 < factoryjoe> suw: yup
16:08 < factoryjoe> :D
16:08 < loiclemeur> :-)
16:09 < CharlesN> Nice job!!
16:09 < dotBen> horaay for loic + his private jet!
16:09 < BenHammersley> and the IRC is on the screen
16:09 < CharlesN> lol
16:09 < BenHammersley> so, erm, no dirty words
16:09 < factoryjoe> to the private jet!
16:09  * Ewan_ is tempted
16:09 < Suw> anyone here from flickr?
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16:09 < dltq> I want to join the Ben&Joe fan club
16:09 < michel_v> BenHammersley: dirty words like... skyblog?
16:09 < _neezee> Ewan_ you are not here, so behave yourself
16:09 < tara_> Ben & Joe! Ben & Joe!
16:09 < Ewan_> So if I was there I could misbehave???
16:09 < factoryjoe> so in trouble... :D
16:09 < cliebert> typepad is a dirty word too ... sometimes ...
16:09 < Suw> isn't that a type of ice cream?
16:09 < factoryjoe> Ewan_: totally
16:10 < BenHammersley> geocities is the new typepad
16:10 < factoryjoe> no no, we make ice cream
16:10 < _neezee> icecream is always nice.
16:10 < Suw> typepad is the new geocities?
16:10 < Crosswick> yeastcoast?
16:10 < factoryjoe> *reckless* ice cream
16:10 < factoryjoe> can i getta what what?
16:10 < cliebert> hu hu hu
16:10 < loiclemeur> BenHammersley: we have just called the french riots intervention forces to get you out of the room
16:10 < tara_> it's the flickr of blogware
16:10 < neilmcintosh> suw: did you ever use geocities? :-)
16:10 < tara_> DRINK
16:10 < cliebert> GIGN for Ben ???
16:10 < BenHammersley> the French police are a bunch of girls
16:10 -!- wavestorm [n=casassov@195.68.195.29] has joined #lesblogs
16:10 < ethanz> geocities - now that's a dirty word...
16:10 < BenHammersley> all that black padding
16:10 < Suw> neilmcintosh: if i answer that do i incriminate myself?
16:10 < _neezee> tara i would say drink for bay area also
16:11 < tara_> DRINK
16:11 < BenHammersley> real police wear skirts and war paint
16:11 < Suw> all that black pudding?
16:11 < dotBen> WEAK TEA
16:11 < neilmcintosh> is that Canter striking a match? Ben - watch out!
16:11 < dotBen> arrr
16:11 < BenHammersley> fight the power\
16:11  * AndreasHaugstrup lives in SoHo/5478
16:11 < dotBen> it moooves
16:11 -!- Bjoern_HH [n=Bjoern@81.80.55.12] has joined #lesblogs
16:11 < CharlesN> and real police quick black asses in the street ??
16:11 < cliebert> carefull guys
16:11 < factoryjoe> dotBen!
16:11 < mung> it was near
16:11 < Salim> ohh... a handshake... no good...
16:11 < dotBen> Marc leaves to find somewhere quiet to nap
16:11 < dglazkov> where are the live feeds!?
16:11 < BenHammersley> he slipped me some poison
16:11 < BenHammersley> arrrgggggh
16:11 < tara_> Flickr Flickr Flickr
16:11 < dotBen> jactoyjoe!
16:11 < mung> lol
16:11 < ethanz> he's off to get a gun from the woman  on the morning's panel
16:11  * BenHammersley can't breath
16:11 < tara_> DRINK
16:11 < dotBen> factoryjoe! even
16:12 < _neezee> dotBen not quite but without cameras ;)
16:12 < mung> lol
16:12 < dltq> rofl@this
16:12 < neilmcintosh> poison. in the hand. like 24
16:12 -!- Bjoern_HH [n=Bjoern@81.80.55.12] has quit [Remote closed the connection]
16:12 < dltq> now is when we need the flickr of video already
16:12 -!- BenHammersley is now known as DeadBen
16:12 < tara_> totally
16:12 < CharlesN> tara> r u that thirsty ?
16:12 < dotBen> maybe marc let one rip as he walked past, Ben
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16:12 < cliebert> dailymotion ...
16:12 < tara_> I'm playing the drinking game....obviously By Myself!
16:12 < cliebert> video flickr ?
16:12 < DeadBen> silent, but deadly
16:12 < CharlesN> dailymotion sucks?
16:12 < _neezee> tara_ and also with your own money
16:13 < michel_v> dltq: there's dailymotion.com
16:13 < tara_> that sux
16:13 < DeadBen> there's a drinking game?
16:13 < dotBen> us IRC'ers are all idiot's really.  The rest of this lot are listening to how to become millionaires.  and we're photoshoping Marc Canter and alking about poison
16:13 -!- jemstone [n=jemstone@81.80.55.12] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)]
16:13 < dltq> oh lol I know, and vimeo and youtube and blip.tv and and
16:13 < tara_> I thought we were going to be monetized during this session?
16:13 < dotBen> :)
16:13 < CharlesN> drinking game? where?
16:13 -!- DeadBen is now known as TheAntiScoble
16:13 < michel_v> dotBen: what if photoshopping Marc Canter is the Web 3.0 thing to do?
16:13 < mung> is there a next CanterPSD round?
16:13 < _neezee> ben you missed that presentation, that was this morning ;)
16:13 < TheAntiScoble> c'mere baby, I'm monetise you
16:13 < cfd> Each time they say 2.0 you get to drink?
16:13 < tara_> Canter 2.0
16:13 < michel_v> dotBen: you'll be glad you did photoshop Marc Canter when THAT happens :)
16:14 < neilmcintosh> dotben: you mean you haven't made your first million yet?
16:14 < loiclemeur> hehe Ben back again as theantiscoble
16:14 < loiclemeur> 8)
16:14 < cliebert> dailymotion doesn't suck ...
16:14 < Ed_Daniel> btw this might interest as an example of blog-teams: http://performancing.com/about
16:14 < dotBen> neil: almost )
16:14 < jy_> COFFEE
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16:14 < dotBen> DRINK
16:14 < neilmcintosh> I'm only  about two mill off, dotben
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16:14 < Suw> ooh break!
16:14 < neilmcintosh> drink!
16:15 < cliebert> CharlesN >> should see their last improvment to dailymotion
16:15 < tara_> dying for one
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16:15 < photomatt_paris> factoryjoe: how'd you get banned?
16:15 < TheAntiScoble> drink!
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16:15 < dltq> photomatt: http://www.flickr.com/photos/factoryjoe/70492753/
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16:16 < dltq> duh@self, too much caffeine
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16:16 < factoryjoe> photomatt_paris: well
16:17 < factoryjoe> that's how it goes w/ flickr
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16:17 < photomatt_paris> cal lives on beale and folsom, we can jump him ;)
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16:17 < Geoff_> Hi all from Geoff Jones in Cambridge UK
16:17 < Geoff_> Sorry that I'm missing it :-(
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16:18 < Geoff_> Is the backchannel holding up?
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16:18 < factoryjoe> oh man
16:18 < factoryjoe> you big time missed it
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16:19 < Geoff_> Shucks I was at LesBlogs1
16:19 < factoryjoe> i do mockups
16:19 < factoryjoe> http://www.flickr.com/photos/factoryjoe/70501112/
16:19 < AndreasHaugstrup> I thought all of us non-attendees were only missing sleeping beauties
16:19 < Geoff_> and Loic spoke at my conference Our social World in Cambridge
16:19 < Ed_Daniel> Where's the controversy eh!? ;-) "told me that what he’s missing at this event is some element of criticism — just a lot of “blogs are good” backrubbing among each other going on"  http://www.jaanuskase.com/en/2005/12/les_blogs_first_halfday.html
16:19 < michel_v> AndreasHaugstrup: I'm missing sleeping Marc Canter :/
16:20 < AndreasHaugstrup> michel_v: close enough
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16:20 < Geoff_> Is there coffee this time?
16:20 < factoryjoe> Geoff_: yes
16:21 < Geoff_> Is there a river of news feed?
16:21 < Geoff_> that I can tap into
16:21 < Ed_Daniel> not really Geoff, no live feeds - just Flickr and this http://www.technorati.com/tag/lesblogs
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16:22 < Ed_Daniel> http://www.flickr.com/photos/tags/lesblogs/
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16:22 < Geoff_> Thanks thats good
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16:23 < Geoff_> I wonder if i can make a feed of photos tagged Lesblogs
16:23 < Ed_Daniel> Geoff, if you're attending the politcal blog session please try and raise visibility for lobbying by bloggers against this...http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/11/30/AR2005113002109.html
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16:24 < Ed_Daniel> http://www.flickr.com/services/feeds/photos_public.gne?tags=lesblogs&format=rss_200
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16:26 < mung> l
16:26 < Geoff_> Ed - wish I could but I'm in Cambridge :-) Executive Wants to Charge for Web Speed sure sounds liker the beginning of censorship on the net to me
16:27 < Ed_Daniel> damn right, flies in the face of what Lessig warned us might happen in his book 'Future of Ideas'
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16:28 < Ed_Daniel> btw do read Andrew Marr's 'My Trade' - it's got some great tips that can be applied to blogging
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16:30 < dltq> is there any OPML file of the feeds of all